Animal Sacrifices?!

[Mahakaal96]

When i ask myself how reading gurbani, keeping kesh, taking amrit & living by sikhi lifestyle help me reach akal purakh, i end up finding answers that make perfect sense. Yet i struggle to see how killing animals when other food is easily available, taking bhang or putting goat's blood on GuruJi's weapons help me reach akal purakh.

So if anyone can tell me how these practices help me re unite my soul with the creator, please do let me know.

There are many paths to Akal Purekh. Akal Purekh is limitless, beyond beginning & end, beyond time, beyond death, his limits are not known, he is beant. If Akal Purekh is sooo vast and incomprehensible in his limits then how can there be only one path to merge with him?!

It is your limited budhi that does not let you see or accept that there may be some people in this world who's path towards Akal Purekh involves bhang and jhatka.

If vegetarians are so high and mighty then why don't they do as mahraj says in the above shabad and become 'real' sanyasi and give up delicacies like corn, sugar cane and cotton?!

They put on a show for the world by saying we don't kill animals & eat meat but rip people of for money, wear leather shoes made from dead animal skin, beat up a tabla made of animal skin when doing Kirtan. Drink cows milk that the cow produces for her young, take paracetamol & other medicine that contains alcohol and other harmful chemicals. Go to tescos and buy products that were tested on animals. Say they don't eat meat but dig into Linda McCartney sausages made to taste like meat. They don't eat meat but when filled with sexual desires they fill their mouths with flesh made body parts of their partner. Science has even proved that plants are living beings who communicate with one another, they recognise the person growing them and even feel pain.

Sikhi is not black and white, just like Akal Purekh Sikhi is beant.

[sat]

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.

[scali]

This is a quote I read from a book

" You Know you have found GOD when you observe that you will not murder ( that is willfully kill without cause). For while you will understand that you cannot end another's life in any event ( all life in eternal ) , you will not choose to terminate any particular incarnation, nor change any life energy from one form to another, without the most sacred justification. Your new reverence for life will cause you to honor all life forms- including plants, trees and animals-and to impact them only when it is for the highest good"

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Forget the chicken, jhatka this one:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72982-visiting-sikh-priest-received-90-days-in-jail-for-sex-assault/

Look, put the whole complex, deep, big-worded, mystical arguments aside and look at this a bit practically:

With all of the corrupt "Sikh" politicians and genocidal Punjab Police officers, it really does not make sense to kill a chicken - its not like there is a lack of targets to practice on. With all of the jhatka going on to prove warrior status and infuse Shakti etc. etc., you would think that the Indian government would be shaking in their boots from the Nihungs doing jhatka on every Panthic enemy that dares to do anything against the Panth. Sadly, I haven't seen any Nihungs in a crusade to rid the Panth of such enemies.

If exceptions are made for Nihungs due to their being warriors and Guru Da Ladli Fauj, do they not have a responsibility to act upon their special status in the Panth? If Taksal is teaching Santhiya, Paath, Keertan, Nanaksar is teaching utmost devotion and seva to Guru Sahib, AKJ is going Keertan seva - Nihungs are doing what exactly? If the role based model of Sikhi, where each Jathebandi has a role is to be accepted, are the Nihung Singhs actually serving their purpose? Jhatka is not supposed to be a way to get Bibek KFC or Mahaparshad - if everything that is used to defend jhatka is to be believed, the Nihungs would be an indomitable force that would fight to the last breath and body to liberate the Panth from its enemies - where are the Youtube videos of that? I don't see any Nihung brothers and sisters out there in force (not talking about individuals - entire Nihung regiments) waging Dharm Yudh against the enemies of the Panth.

If you want to do Jhakta and claim this is the warrior's path - should there not be a warrior's output from those belonging to Nihung jathebandis? It's like signing onto a nation's army, performing all of the training, and then when a foreign nation's army attacks you, so sit there stabbing target dummies and polishing/oiling their guns.

Something don't add up.

[DSGj]

I have read the thread many times, but cannot find the answer to my question of whether mahaprashad is greater than gur prashad / Amrit or greater than degh/karah prashad? The term maha suggests that this prashad is the greatest.

Bhai Kahn Singh Jee Nabha:

ਮਹਾਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ -

ਵਡਾ ਆਨੰਦ. ਪਰਮ ਆਨੰਦ। ੨. ਦੇਵਤਾ ਨੂੰ ਅਰਪਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਖਾਣ ਯੋਗ੍ਯ ਪਦਾਰਥ। ੩. ਕੜਾਹ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ ਜੋ ਅਕਾਲ ਨੂੰ ਅਰਪਨ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ. "ਏਕ ਮਿਸਟਾਨ ਪਾਨ ਲਾਵਤ ਮਹਾਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ, ਏਕ ਗੁਰਪੁਰਬ ਕੈ ਸਿੱਖਨ ਬੁਲਾਵਹੀ." (ਭਾਗੁ ਕ) ੪. ਝਟਕੇ ਦਾ ਮਾਸ. "ਸੱਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਕਾਲ" (ਕਹਿਕੇ ਝਟਕਾ ਕੀਤੇ ਜੀਵ ਦਾ ਮਾਸ).

Side note: As you can see, Bhai Kahn Singh Jee has cleared up a major myth about Bhai Gurdas Jee promoting MahaPrashad jhatka meat. A lot of people like to use that line to translate Mahaprashad as jhatka meat, but Bhai Kahn Singh Jee has clearly shown the real meaning of Mahaprashad in that line.

[Mahakaal96]

This is a quote I read from a book

" You Know you have found GOD when you observe that you will not murder ( that is willfully kill without cause). For while you will understand that you cannot end another's life in any event ( all life in eternal ) , you will not choose to terminate any particular incarnation, nor change any life energy from one form to another, without the most sacred justification. Your new reverence for life will cause you to honor all life forms- including plants, trees and animals-and to impact them only when it is for the highest good"

Might as well become a Jain then and tie up your mouth so you don't kill any bacteria and carry a broom and fixate your eyes to the floor so you don't kill any insects. Stop eating plants as they are described in bani as life forms and also proven by science to have life.

[Mahakaal96]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Forget the chicken, jhatka this one:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72982-visiting-sikh-priest-received-90-days-in-jail-for-sex-assault/

Look, put the whole complex, deep, big-worded, mystical arguments aside and look at this a bit practically:

With all of the corrupt "Sikh" politicians and genocidal Punjab Police officers, it really does not make sense to kill a chicken - its not like there is a lack of targets to practice on. With all of the jhatka going on to prove warrior status and infuse Shakti etc. etc., you would think that the Indian government would be shaking in their boots from the Nihungs doing jhatka on every Panthic enemy that dares to do anything against the Panth. Sadly, I haven't seen any Nihungs in a crusade to rid the Panth of such enemies.

If exceptions are made for Nihungs due to their being warriors and Guru Da Ladli Fauj, do they not have a responsibility to act upon their special status in the Panth? If Taksal is teaching Santhiya, Paath, Keertan, Nanaksar is teaching utmost devotion and seva to Guru Sahib, AKJ is going Keertan seva - Nihungs are doing what exactly? If the role based model of Sikhi, where each Jathebandi has a role is to be accepted, are the Nihung Singhs actually serving their purpose? Jhatka is not supposed to be a way to get Bibek KFC or Mahaparshad - if everything that is used to defend jhatka is to be believed, the Nihungs would be an indomitable force that would fight to the last breath and body to liberate the Panth from its enemies - where are the Youtube videos of that? I don't see any Nihung brothers and sisters out there in force (not talking about individuals - entire Nihung regiments) waging Dharm Yudh against the enemies of the Panth.

If you want to do Jhakta and claim this is the warrior's path - should there not be a warrior's output from those belonging to Nihung jathebandis? It's like signing onto a nation's army, performing all of the training, and then when a foreign nation's army attacks you, so sit there stabbing target dummies and polishing/oiling their guns.

Something don't add up.

The 'panth' your talking about forsake the nihangs and long ago turned their backs on the nihangs. When the 'panth' thought everything was hunky dorey with the formation of SGPC and Singh Sabha no one gave a second thought about nihangs. The 'panth' thought their future was secure and that bad times or war would not be faced by the 'panth' so what need is there for nihangs?! The 'panth' had their new committees and leaders, who gave the nihangs a second thought?

The nihangs who were once allowed to take whatever maya they needed from any gurdwara for their day to day running were no forced out to the outskirts of the 'panth' unable to financially keep good horses or keep good up to date weapons. They were thrown out of gurdware where they once resided and at some places even refused langar. When the British in panjab employed a shoot on site policy for nihangs what did the 'panth' do?! When the nihangs all left panjab and went into exile at hazoor sahib or hid away living in jungles what did the 'panth' do?! The nihangs who were once feared by all, the nihangs who used to use the money from gurus golak to keep the best horses and best weapons and protect all were now replaced by corrupt sell outs who only intended on stealing from the gurus golak then what did the panth do?!

Fast forward in time and people ask why don't the nihangs do anything? Why don't they help the 'panth'?

You don't see nihangs getting their dastars removed or getting hassled by anyone do you?

The time WILL come when 96krore Khalsa fauj will take part in Dharam Yudh..... Not for the 'panth' but for Dharam.

Every bachan that mahraj has said about his fauj will become partak, just like the bachans about fake singhs in the 'panth' are becoming partak.....

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

So...are you implying that the Nihungs are in worse shape now than when the Mughals were around? They seemed to do OK with the limited resources at their disposal back then.

Come to think of it, what funding is SGPC and the Panth at large providing Taksal, Nanaksar, AKJ, Kaar Seva Babae? It appears that they do get donations and means to survive (and grow, no less) by their seva. If Nihungs took over seva of utilizing their Shastars in service of the Panth, they would probably be more powerful than any other Jathebandi (think how much of Puinjab would donate arms, money and their families to that cause).

Sant Jarnail Singh Ji did not have a treasure chest, but because he was willing to stand up and do seva of the Panth, the resources came to him from the Sangat.

[N30S1NGH]

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom.

Yes that includes fools from both extreme- ultra veggie fools and ultra tamoguni non veggies fools both have lost plot. Gurmat is unique, center, balanced path..!!

[BritishSingh]

This is a thread about 'animal sacrifices', so why are people talking about eating jhatka meat or eating veggies?

As for animal sacrifices: I would like to know to whom do the animals get sacrificed? because Waheguru doesn't need it & Sikhi beleives in one Waheguru not 330 million Devte.

Gurbani tells us to sacrifice ouselves (hao man arpi, sabh tan arpi), thus showing full devotion to Waheguru.