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With that being said, Modern day AKJ especially uk and others have lost a plot, as uk jatha is now more like political movement who play silly proxy war games, score points against taksal by endorsing other faction of taksal and is also hornest nest for right wing thought, fanatics of all kinds. There are direct evidences of them they are radicalizing sikh youths of uk and also their one leg in missionaries and other leg is out, they keep flip flopping. My biggest concern with akj uk they are radicalizing youths of uk which should be concerning to all sikhs -I am gathering all the evidence as outside journalist, one point or another point it will come out in media.

Exactly, couldn't agree more !

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Akj are fully in line with gurbani and only do pooja of Naam and Gurbani. Jatha does not worship sants and only believe in Guru Granth sahib

AKJ are fully in line with Gurbani:

You have to have to pukka amrit vela, no matter how tired you are.

All the senior Singhs in the Jatha and Punj all wake up at 1am and have solid amrit vela.

You guys all talk about Jatha don't believe in Dasam Granth etc. All jatha singhs do jaap sahib tv prasaaad swaiye and chopai part of there nitnem.

Jatha do believe in Dasam Granth, but it should NOT be parkashed same level as Guru Grath Sahib

please read Bhai Sahibs books and learn more about gurmat asools. Dont go by hear say.

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Akj are fully in line with gurbani and only do pooja of Naam and Gurbani. Jatha does not worship sants and only believe in Guru Granth sahib

AKJ are fully in line with Gurbani:

You have to have to pukka amrit vela, no matter how tired you are.

All the senior Singhs in the Jatha and Punj all wake up at 1am and have solid amrit vela.

You guys all talk about Jatha don't believe in Dasam Granth etc. All jatha singhs do jaap sahib tv prasaaad swaiye and chopai part of there nitnem.

Jatha do believe in Dasam Granth, but it should NOT be parkashed same level as Guru Grath Sahib

please read Bhai Sahibs books and learn more about gurmat asools. Dont go by hear say.

Jatha does not worship sants and only believe in Guru Granth sahib

Jatha revolves around bhai sahib books/his theological framework stance (than old traditional gurmat frame work of advait gurmat, sargun-nirgun-nirankar-sun samadhi commonly followed by sants mahapursh/gurmat theologian from various samparda's ). so you do worship sant- bhai sahib its pretty deep rooted actually in the jatha, so your point is invalid that you don't worship sant. you do you just dress it up differently- you internalize all great emotional feeling inside towards him than expressing it out for him. But I fondly remember -bhai sahib kulbir singh ji great gurmukh wanted to wash bhai sahib ji feet with his tears. It was good he was expressing his emotions like that, it was beautiful.

Nevertheless, with all being said despite of differences - sikhs from all walks of life can unequivocally agree bhai sahib was great saint-soldier along with great shabad surat master but as far as bhai sahib ji beloved followers making him out to be great sant "gurmat" theologian in its totality there would be quite bit of humble difference of opnions in sikh panthic circle consist of puratan samparda's including taksal just like if followers of nanaksar start claiming sant baba isher singh ji nanaksar wale a sant gurmat theolgian in its totality there would be equally wide range of difference of opinions. With that being said, this does not take anything away from sant isher singh ji/great seva of guru sahib nor bhai sahib ji life dedication, akhand nirole kirtan and bhai sahib sant-soldier nature.

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Akj are fully in line with gurbani and only do pooja of Naam and Gurbani. Jatha does not worship sants and only believe in Guru Granth sahib

AKJ are fully in line with Gurbani:

You have to have to pukka amrit vela, no matter how tired you are.

All the senior Singhs in the Jatha and Punj all wake up at 1am and have solid amrit vela.

You guys all talk about Jatha don't believe in Dasam Granth etc. All jatha singhs do jaap sahib tv prasaaad swaiye and chopai part of there nitnem.

Jatha do believe in Dasam Granth, but it should NOT be parkashed same level as Guru Grath Sahib

please read Bhai Sahibs books and learn more about gurmat asools. Dont go by hear say.

Jatha doesn't worship sants but every other word jatha say is ' bhai sahib this and bhai sahib that'. You don't worship sants but see bhai sahibs books as a be all and end all user guide manual on Sikhi?! Your fully in line with gurbani even tho gurbani does worship/praise of saints?

Getting up at 1am for amritvela, is that meant to be some kind of advert about the jatha? Mahapursh from all samparda do this!

Dasam should not be parkashed at same level? When panj pyare prepare khande batte da Amrit do they sit higher when reciting jap ji sahib and anand sahib and then sit lower when reciting jaap, swaiye and chaupai sahib?

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Jatha doesn't worship sants but every other word jatha say is ' bhai sahib this and bhai sahib that'. You don't worship sants but see bhai sahibs books as a be all and end all user guide manual on Sikhi?! Your fully in line with gurbani even tho gurbani does worship/praise of saints?

Getting up at 1am for amritvela, is that meant to be some kind of advert about the jatha? Mahapursh from all samparda do this!

Dasam should not be parkashed at same level? When panj pyare prepare khande batte da Amrit do they sit higher when reciting jap ji sahib and anand sahib and then sit lower when reciting jaap, swaiye and chaupai sahib?

Why does it bother you? LOL

This whole thread is hilarious, it started from some people being upset with AKJ supposedly supporting a controversial preacher, and now we have some in depth analysis of AKJ. The funniest thing is that most rainsabai sangat probably doesn't even have a clue about this press statement, who the parcharak is or even what the issue is about.

The problem in the panth is that we care too much about what others are doing. So what if AKJ/Taksal/Nihang/whoever does what?

I sometimes wonder how we got from the beautiful loving path of gareebi started by Guru Nanak Dev Ji maharaj, to political parties, jathae, arguments, hatred, one upmanship etc.

ਬਾਦੁ ਬਿਬਾਦੁ ਕਾਹੂ ਸਿਉ ਨ ਕੀਜੈ ॥

ਰਸਨਾ ਰਾਮ ਰਸਾਇਨੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੨॥

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I think you have taken this personally. Not worshipping sant would be directed at those chele who matha tek and touch feet of their mahapurash. AKJ respects the praatan sants such as Sant Attar Singh ji and Sant Gurbachan Singh ji. Yes akj belief system is inline (or is supposed to be - clearly it isn't nowadays) with bhai sahib's views and writings. What's the big shock in this?

All amrit sinchaar sevadaars waking up at around 1am was probably "advertised" due to the big scare regarding punj pyare earlier in the topic.

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I think you have taken this personally. Not worshipping sant would be directed at those chele who matha tek and touch feet of their mahapurash. AKJ respects the praatan sants such as Sant Attar Singh ji and Sant Gurbachan Singh ji. Yes akj belief system is inline (or is supposed to be - clearly it isn't nowadays) with bhai sahib's views and writings. What's the big shock in this?

All amrit sinchaar sevadaars waking up at around 1am was probably "advertised" due to the big scare regarding punj pyare earlier in the topic.

We all know inner feelings in mind are more intimate towards "sant/bhai sahib" personality than outer. Outer can be just for satkar for that time being but inner feelings goes long way. So lets not try to hide it or dress it up differently or down play this. Lets cut the crap over semantics, and admit it just like how beautifully bhai sahib bhai kulbir singh ji admitted to his feeling of washing bhai sahib feet with his tears, again nothing wrong with that, but it appears you want to down play this because then you cannot sell your group jatha intro package to some next joe blow who is getting into sikhi and tired of all "deraism" as you call it.

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Why does it bother you? LOL

This whole thread is hilarious, it started from some people being upset with AKJ supposedly supporting a controversial preacher, and now we have some in depth analysis of AKJ. The funniest thing is that most rainsabai sangat probably doesn't even have a clue about this press statement, who the parcharak is or even what the issue is about.

The problem in the panth is that we care too much about what others are doing. So what if AKJ/Taksal/Nihang/whoever does what?

I sometimes wonder how we got from the beautiful loving path of gareebi started by Guru Nanak Dev Ji maharaj, to political parties, jathae, arguments, hatred, one upmanship etc.

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ਰਸਨਾ ਰਾਮ ਰਸਾਇਨੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੨॥[/size]

No one on here criticised the jatha or their beliefs, the attitude of some of thier members was. The point of contention after the initial question about panj pyare Seva was cleared up was about the state of affairs in the UK and group fanaticism. I personally criticised all groups as did neo only for someone to then come and post a condescending sounding post about the jatha.

You say who cares about who does what but as the sons of Guru Gobind Singh are we not the custodians of this panth who have a responsibility for the direction it is heading in for the coming generations?

Wana be nihangs, taksalis and jatha fanatics are taking Sikhi down a very dark path

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With that being said, Modern day AKJ especially uk and others have lost a plot, as uk jatha is now more like political movement who play silly proxy war games, score points against taksal by endorsing other faction of taksal and is also hornest nest for right wing thought, fanatics of all kinds. There are direct evidences of them they are radicalizing sikh youths of uk and also their one leg in missionaries and other leg is out, they keep flip flopping. My biggest concern with akj uk they are radicalizing sikh youths of uk which should be concerning to all sikhs -I am gathering all the evidence as outside journalist, one point or another it will come out in media.

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I do have a theory, theory can be proven false or correct with further investigation. Few of akj uk members have missionary back ground one popular also shows up in photo up, can this be the reason there is missionary element infiltrated/influenced akj uk jatha regarding jatha supporting missionaries?

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I do have a theory, theory can be proven false or correct with further investigation. Few of akj uk members have missionary back ground one popular also shows up in photo up, can this be the reason there is missionary element infiltrated/influenced akj uk jatha?

just like some dere vale/ sant/taksal/nihang followers have a tendency to fall over into hinduism/ritualism. some akj/singh sabha singhs start bordering on that other extreme. Its just particular mindsets taking one aspect of the mindset abit too extreme. Its not as dramatic as we all make it out to be.

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just like some dere vale/ sant/taksal/nihang followers have a tendency to fall over into hinduism/ritualism. some akj/singh sabha singhs start bordering on that other extreme. Its just particular mindsets taking one aspect of the mindset abit too extreme. Its not as dramatic as we all make it out to be.

It is when there is violence, intimidation and general disrespect and hatred for others involved.

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