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N30singh wrote

But number of breaths changes once one start meditating

Spot on.Breathing slows down in case of naam abhiasis.That is why their life span is usually longer.

Also weather has effect on breathing.That is why life span of people in cold countries is longer.

And one more thing everything is possible in spiritual domain.Science should not be relied upon in

spiritual domain.It is written in sukhmani sahib too

Prabh bhave bin saas te rakhe

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People need to be aware that i am asked by admin not to interact with someone so that undue

scene is not created.

So DSGj mind your business and do not reply in connection with my comments as i have not replied to yours.Refrain

from doing this in future.

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Hakum, divine orders are hard to explain but i do beleive everything is pre-destined/ordained already. I meant literally everything as we usually forget to include whats behind the free will of person at the first place- whats source? where is it coming from?

Think about this quote:

You can will what you want, but you can't will what you will

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Sukhmani Sahib is no more important than any other Bani in Guru Granth Sahib Jee. All Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib Jee is equal and has same status and can give same spiritual effects and spiritual results.

Agreed, However, we cannot ignore certain banis in sri guru granth sahib are known for certain occasions, moods, and certain purpose. For eg, granthi singh sahiban will not sing shalok mahalla nauvan during anand karaj ceremony even followed after, would he? Similiarly, shalok nauvan is meant to invoke bairaag aspect and sukhmani sahib is meant to invoke peace and happiness

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N30singh ji

Let us not spoil this thread by diverting it to otherside.Let us not be distracted.Let us get to focus on role of Hardev shergill

in his propaganda against sikhism as the article by lucky singh ji is from his journal.

Have you read my post and reference to what he uttered in regards to our 8th guru sahib.He is calling

him a baby.See they are the leaders of missionaries.Now they are being exposed by their own men.

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ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੀ ਮੀਟਿੰਗਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਭਾ ਵਾਲਿਆਂ ਇਕ ਘਟੀਆ ਤੇ ਮਾੜੀ ਰੀਤ ਪਾਈ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਨਤੀਜੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਕੌਮ ਨੂੰ ਅਗੇ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਭੁਗਤਣੇ ਪੈਣਗੇ। ਮੈਂ ਸਿੱਖ ਕੌਮ ਨੂੰ ਪੁੱਛਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੀ ਰੋਜ ਦੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਵਿਚ ਆਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖ ਦੀ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਸਵਾਸਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਨਿਭੇ, ਕੀ ਮੱਤਲਬ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਦਾ? ਕੇਸਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਸਵਾਸ ਲਾਉਣ ਦਾ ਮੱਤਲਬ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਕੇਸ ਉਨੇ ਹੀ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਹਨ ਜਿੰਨੇ ਸਵਾਸ ਯਾਨੀ ਜੀਵਨ! ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਭਾਈ ਤਾਰੂ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਸਾਬਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤੀ, ਕਿ ਸਿੱਖ ਦਾ ਸਿਰ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਪਰ ਕੇਸ ਨਹੀਂ। ਪਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਦੱਸੋ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਉਪਰ ਵੋਟਿੰਗ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀ? ਕਦੇ ਕਿਸੇ ਨੇ ਜੁਅਰਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਉਪਰ ਵੋਟਿੰਗ ਕਰਾਉਂਣ ਦੀ? ਪਰ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨਵੇ ਉਠੇ ਝੰਡੇ ਬਰਦਾਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ। ਅਤੇ 80 ਅਤੇ 20 ਦੇ ਹਿਸਾਬ ਵੋਟਿੰਗ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਭਾ ਦਾ ਵਿਧਾਨ ਪਾਸ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਿ ਕੇਸ ਜਰੂਰੀ ਹਨ। ਪਰ ਮੈਂ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਭਾਈਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੁੱਛਦਾਂ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੀਆਂ ਵੋਟਾਂ 80 ਨਾ ਹੁੰਦੀਆਂ, ਤਾਂ ਕੀ ਸਭ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਭੀਏ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ‘ਗੁਰਭਾਈ’ ਰਿੱਕੀ ਵਾਂਗ ‘ਚਟਮ-ਚੱਟ’ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦੇ? ਹੁਣ ਸਿੱਖੀ ਦੇ ਫੈਸਲੇ ਵੋਟਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਹੋਇਆ ਕਰਨਗੇ? ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਢਾਈ ਪਾ ਖਿੱਚੜੀ ਵਾਲੇ 10 ਬੰਦਿਆ ਨੂੰ ਕੀ ਹੱਕ ਹੈ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਉਪਰ ਵੋਟਾਂ ਕਰਾਉਂਣ ਦਾ? ਮੈਨੂੰ ਦੱਸਣ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਸ ਬੰਦਿਆਂ ਦਾ ਕੀ ਵਜੂਦ ਹੈ ਟਰੰਟੋ ਵਿਚ ਕਿ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਉਪਰ ਵੋਟਿੰਗ ਕਰਾਉਂਣ ਤੁਰੇ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ? ਕਦੇ ਕੋਈ ਗਿਆਰਵਾਂ ਬੰਦਾ ਇਨਾ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਬੈਠਿਆ ਤੇ ਨਾ ਰਲਿਆ ਤੇ ਇਹ ਵੋਟਿੰਗ ਕਰਾ ਰਹੇ ਨੇ ਕੇਸਾਂ ਉਪਰ? ਮੈਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਹਿੰਦਾ ਰਿੱਕੀ ਨੇ ਕੇਸ ਕਿਉਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਰੱਖੇ ਸਾਡੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਭਾਂਵੇਂ ਰਗੜ ਕੇ ਮੁੰਨੇ ਪਰ ਫਿਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਸਭਾ ਵਿਚ ਕਿਉਂ? ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਮੂਰਖ ਬਣਾਉਂਣ ਲਈ? ਡੇਰੇਦਾਰਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਤੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਫਰਕ ਕੀ ਹੈ? ਉਹ ਧੋਖੇ ਨਾਲ ਗੁਰੂ ਡੰਮ ਚਲਾ ਰਹੇ ਇਹ ਅਪਣੀ ਨਾਸਤਿਕਤਾ?

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Read more from their own people about these people who have been spreading venom against sikhism for the last 15 years.

ਮੈਂ ਭਰਾਵੋ ਤੁਹਾਨੂੰ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਵੀ ਕਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਕਿ ਜਿੰਨੇ ਖਤਰਨਾਕ ਚੋਲਿਆਂ ਵਾਲੀ ਚਿੱਟੀ ਸਿਉਂਕ ਹੈ, ਉਦੋਂ ਵੱਧ ਖਤਰਨਾਕ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਇਹ ਨਾਸਤਿਕ ਕਿਸਮ ਦੇ ਟਾਈਆਂ-ਪਿੰਟਾਂ ਵਾਲੇ ‘ਸਾਧ’ ਵੀ ਹਨ! ਨਹੀਂ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸਿੱਖ ਅਜਿਹੀਆਂ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਦੇ, ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਇਹ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਹਨ। ਪਾਠਕ ਅਪਣੇ ਦਿੱਲ ਤੇ ਹੱਥ ਰੱਖ ਕੇ ਇਕ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਜਵਾਬ ਦੇਣ, ਕਿ ਕੋਈ ਗੁਰੂ ਦਾ ਸਿੱਖ ਜੁਅਰਤ ਅਤੇ ਹੌਸਲਾ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ, ਕਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸਰੂਪ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਤਾਬਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਅਪਣੀ ਬਾਰੀ ਵਿਚ ਕਿਤਾਬਾਂ ਵਾਂਗ ਰੱਖੇ? ਪਰ ਇਹ ਜੁਅਰਤ ਜਿਉਣਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ!! ਇਸ ਗੱਲ ਦਾ ਗਵਾਹ ਸ੍ਰ. ਸਕੰਦਰਜੀਤ ਸਿੰਘ ਧਾਲੀਵਾਲ ਹੈ।

ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਸਾਬਤ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਗੁਰੂ ਬਾਜਾਂ ਵਾਲੇ ਦਾ ਨਹੀਂ, ਜੀਹਨਾਂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਨੂੰ ਮੱਥਾ ਟੇਕਿਆ ਸੀ, ਬਲਕਿ ਲੈਨਿਨ ਦਾ ਚੇਲਾ ਹੈ? ਇਹ ਤਾਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਨੂੰ ਗੁਰੂ ਕਹਿਣ ਤੋਂ ਇਨਕਾਰੀ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਹਨ? ਇਨਾ ਲਈ ਤਾਂ ਮਾਛੀਵਾੜੇ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ, ਚਮਕੌਰ ਦੀ ਗੜੀ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਵੀ ਦੇਹ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਜਾਪਦੀ ਹੈ। ਜਿਉਣਵਾਲਾ ਤਾਂ ਇਤਿਹਾਸ ਨੂੰ ਪੁੱਠਾ ਗੇੜਾ ਦੇ ਗਿਆ, ਜਦ ਉਹ ਕਹਿੰਦਾ ਕੋਈ ਸਰਸਾ-ਸੁਰਸਾ ਨਦੀ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਈ, ਐਵੇਂ ਇਕ ਖਾਲ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਇਨੇ ਬੰਦੇ ਉਥੇ ਕਿਥੋਂ ਡੁੱਬ ਮਰੇ ਤੇ ਕਿਹੜਾ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਵਿਛੋੜਾ? ਪੁੱਛੋ ਇਸ ਝੰਡਾ ਬਰਦਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਲਿਖੀਆਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਇਹ ਗੱਲਾਂ?

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Best way to beat these missionary idiots to take them outside of sikh realm for a moment and take them to scientific logical world (as they all seem to be fan of ) then show these idiots scientific proof of meditation- many documented scientific research are done on buddhist monks meditating in Himalayas at -35 degrees and yet their body was steaming hot, happiest buddhist man with documented proof high level of gamma waves in the brain, buddhist small boy didn't eat for years all researched done and documented backed up with data.

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English Translation of above

Oh brothers, i had told you earlier also that these pant and tie wearing "sadhs" (reference to Hardev shergill , jeonwala party) who are atheists are more dangerous than white robed

sadhs.What they talk , no sikh of guru can think of as they advocate to Put Sri Guru Granth sahib in cupboard like other books.But this initiative has come from Jeonwala and sakander dhaliwal is a witness to it.

It is proved that he is not a follower of tenth master but he is disciple of Lenin.They do not call our Gurus as Guru.Hence talk about machhiwara and Chamkaur di garhi

is fake for them.Jeonwala is turning sikh history upside down when he says there was no Sirsa river .It was just a ditch and how so many people died there and why we call

separation of Guru's family.ASK THE WRITER JEONWALA ABOUT HIS UTTERANCES

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What you have noted is flaw in us humans and our thinking.

That is why Ragi's sing "Lakh Khusheeaa Paatishaaheeaa..." 99% of the time and don't sing any other Shabad, and they end up twisting the meanings of the Shabads by trying to support the theme of "happiness".

In reality, Salok Mahalla Nauvan can be sung before or after Anand Karaj ceremony and there should be no problem.

The problem comes with those who cannot accept Gurbani Updesh at any time of day, any time of life.

Gurbani is Hukam and Updesh. Who are we to reject and choose what we want? At Antim Sanskaar the Shabad 'Lakh Kusheeaa Paatishaaheeaa...' can be sung. However, rare is such an individual who has the courage to break today's manmat trends.

With that logic everything goes does that mean you can read japji sahib at night, rehras sahib kirtan sohila in the morning? What you talking about can be applied at very advance stage in spirituality where one is connected to divine 24/7 and its outside of time, circumstances, mood, certain purpose but this cannot be applied at all to begineeer, intermeditate stage as structure is needed for beginners, intermeditate stage.

As i said earlier, try to see things of sikhi in stages, it be lot clearer..generally speaking, off course high diploma, college graduate who is confined in that or who have boxed themselves in that, cannot fathom or understand stages, framework of phd studies.

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