Over Analyzing And Making Sikhi 'complicated'.

[N30S1NGH]

“Beware of the magic of Brahmanical philosophic analysis of everything, even the most secret and complex infinites of faith, life and love. It killed them, it shall kill you. Analysis is the opposite pole of feeling. I worship my mother, I love my wife, but what would they be if I wished to know them by analysis!” Professor Puran Singh Ji

Here i don't think prof puran singh ji confines bhramanical philsophic type "analysis' to only hindus or bhramin, snatan as you quoted but it applies to much broader context as well mindset from all religions which includes hindus as well and as its do with "pscho analysis everything" with or without parnioa which screws people up in long run as raw anything is bad. Gurmat is balanced, center marg.

We do have examples too in our panth where kathavachikhs goes off tangent in sakhiya and over complication which screws up rhythm of katha. However, over complication too is subjective term - it could be over complicated for someone but it may not over complicated for others. As van hel singh veer said, It truly depends on intention of individual. Its hard to say

[VanHelsingh]

A while back I remember some individuals on SS said that Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale's katha wasn't that "deep", by deep they actually meant didn't get lost in stories like those told by Giani Thakur Singh from Patiala leaving the listener with a false sense of accomplishment.

In reality Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale's katha is both deep and according to Gurmat, none better than Sant Ji (and Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale and Taksal in general). I used to like writing essays on forums like SS, but now I just see it as "vele bandeya da kam" and don't see a point anymore. Sikhi is about action and understanding Gurbani prema bhagti.

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Some like to add their own masaleh to spice up proceedings, all the while thinking, "As long as it gets the sangat on-side, whether it's strictly true or not it doesn't really matter as long as I'm not blaspheming or leading them away from Waheguru". Whilst others stick to the message, not one syllable more or less, and they leave it up to us to take the decision, without any inducements of any sort. Whatever works I guess.

[Jonny101]

I agree with you. This over analyses of the simple path of Gurmat like Pandits just makes it more confusing and can even cause a potential brain freeze at times :ohno: . When one listens to the Kathas done by Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale and his successors, one notices how direct and straight to the point their viakhya was. Nothing like today where people try to over analyse and make every thing multi dimensional to the point where one wonders "what the heck is this person talking about?" Guru Jee gave us a simple path so the average down to earth men can follow it. They followed the simple path of the Gurus not the confusing multi dimensional path of the Pundits.

[N30S1NGH]

In grand scheme of things -

Sri guru gobind singh ji sums it up all in two lines in sri akaal ustat which triumph all

Sab karam fookat jan sab dharam naihfal man

Bin ek naam aadhar sab karam barhm bichar

[N30S1NGH]

I find sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale katha to be quite deep actually its not all direct straight to vaikhiya. As i was talking to johnny veer in this thread below, japji sahib teeka by sant kartar singh bhindranwale teaching of gurmat by sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale is close to whopping 800 pages long with full analysis, conceptual entomology theological commentary of Gurmat. Yes in grand scheme of things, everything is simple*(refer to akaal ustat line above) but one simply cannot ignore other aspects - vidya. It's all about striking a right balance.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/34596-meaning-of-gur-prasad/page-2

[Jonny101]

I find sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale katha to be quite deep actually its not all direct straight to vaikhiya. As i was talking to johnny veer in this thread below, japji sahib teeka by sant kartar singh bhindranwale teaching of gurmat by sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale is close to whopping 800 pages long with full analysis, conceptual entomology theological commentary of Gurmat. Yes in grand scheme of things, everything is simple*(refer to akaal ustat line above) but one simply cannot ignore other aspects - vidya. It's all about striking a right balance.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/34596-meaning-of-gur-prasad/page-2

I think we need to also take into consideration that Japji Sahib is not like other Banis. Japji Sahib is all of Gurmat compressed into one Bani. So that is why every tukh one can go into details. Some say all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is the Viakhya or expansion of Japji Sahib. That is probably why many Vidhvaans, Sants, Mahapursh like Sant Gurbachan Singh Jee go into details explaining every single tukh of Japji Sahib. Even Bhai Veer Singh Jee has done an excellent viakhya of Japji Sahib then explaining the Sidhaant of every single Pauri. But Japji Sahib is the exception, note their Kathas and Viakhyas of other Banis. They are not as detailed. They go straight to the point.

[N30S1NGH]

Agreed, If I may add sukhmani sahib to the list as well I have seen teeka by sant kartar singh bhindranwale.. That is also very in depth and very long.

[Singh559]

Again false propaganda, bullying and lies.

You're the missionary and anti-Sikh agent, not me.

Lol okay I'm sorry. Point taken, I'll be honest I didn't read that whole thread just assumed you were missionary mindset .

[UKLondonSikh]

Again false propaganda, bullying and lies.

You're the missionary and anti-Sikh agent, not me.

UK = DSG Paji ..All Paji was saying is that because you have misgivings that part of what is collectively termed SG nowadays was not written by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj many will assume that it makes you DSGj an anti-Sikh agent. My viewpoint on another subject has always been the direct opposite of yours. But you know what, even if I disagree with 100% on that, your passion for Sikhi shines through. So why not all of us debate academic issues with pyaar and focus repeatedly on what unites us in the agenda to achieve Panth ki Jeet? The outside haters seek to divide our Panth and looking at multiple village Gurdware our enemies are doing a very successful job. But all of us from all shades of the spectrum that see the prem for Sikhi in another need to unite ... given that in the Census of 2021 our enemies aim to make us a minority in East Punjab. When tyres and kerosone to effect Genocide against the Sikh Qaum nobody really bothered to check the intracies of each individual Shaheed's belief. That sums it up as to why we need to continually see that we are all on the same side as often as possible - even though we have our full rights on each other to debate academically with pyaar where we see one agenda as better for progress of the Panth than another.

[GPS]

Bhai singh559 is an old principled poster on this site.I have observed his posts over a period of time

and they reflect straight love for sikhi. I will think many times before writing bad about him.