The Kind Of Power You Have When You Are An Independent Country

[Mehtab Singh]

Guru Sahib has already and clearly told us our destination. It would be outright stupid to ignore His holy words and pretend otherwise.

What is Khalistan?

Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niyara, Tab Lag Tej Deho Mai Saara

Jab Eh Gaye Bipran Ki Reet, Mai Na Karahu Inn Ki Parteet

Why Khalistan?

Raaj Bina Neh Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Daley Maley Hain!

How will we achieve Khalistan?

Koi Kisi Ko Raaj Na Deh Hai, Jo Leh Hai Nijj Bal Se Leh Hai

What will be the future?

Raj Karega Khalsa, Aaqi Rahe Na Koye

Khuaar Hue Sab Milenge, Bache Sharan Jo Hoye

Wake up to these words today, or wake up tomorrow when its too late. Choice is yours!

[Jonny101]

One needs to look no further than the example of the Jews. For 2000 years they were persecuted, facing genocide after genocide. Now they have a place(Israel) which they can proudly call home. Similarly Sikhs have faced genocide after genocide. The only time we did not face persecution was when Sikhs had their own independent nation state. After that was over, Sikhs became Ghulams under the British but worse was still to come after 1947 when Sikhs came under the political domination of the Hindus who were our former co slaves but began to rule unfairly which finally led to the 84 genocide.

Sikhs have learnt a lesson that they will never forget and that is: in future Sikhs will never make the mistake of forsaking sovereignty under the political domination of non-Sikhs, especially under Hindus and Muslims. Both have shown their true colours when they get into a position of power. If Sikhs ever get an opportunity for independence, they need to seize that opportunity.

[AJ111]

A "violent partition" will not be required.

A simple plebiscite will do.

That would work in a place like Scotland - where the population is all Scottish. But in the current Punjab half the population is not Sikh.

Even the Sikhs have the opportunity to vote for independence parties like Simranjeet Mann's party. Instead they reject them completely and end up voting for Badal's Akalis, BJP and Congress instead. So a plebiscite will not achieve Khalistan.

It has to be violent and bloody fight for independence against impossible odds.

[jashb]

It has to be violent and bloody fight for independence against impossible odds.

LOL.

Whatever you say dude.

[Mehtab Singh]

It has to be violent and bloody fight for independence against impossible odds.

How will we achieve Khalistan?

Koi Kisi Ko Raaj Na Deh Hai, Jo Leh Hai Nijj Bal Se Leh Hai

Sikhs very well know that no non-violent method will work.

[Shamshere]

That would work in a place like Scotland - where the population is all Scottish. But in the current Punjab half the population is not Sikh.

Even the Sikhs have the opportunity to vote for independence parties like Simranjeet Mann's party. Instead they reject them completely and end up voting for Badal's Akalis, BJP and Congress instead. So a plebiscite will not achieve Khalistan.

It has to be violent and bloody fight for independence against impossible odds.

Let me guess you will watch from the comforts of UK\USA\Canada whilst thousands are being killed in Punjab.

First of all the government in Punjab need to improve the situation so that people don't want to go abroad in the first place. Punjabis (especially rural Sikhs) are notorious for wanting to move abroad.

[username1]

You got to compare how pakistan has innocent indian soliders locked up and regardless of the pressure india puts on they won't release them. There was an article on how people had to convert to islam just to leave the prisons. India captures in acts of revenge some pakistani soldiers who cross the border without permission and puts them in jail leaving them to rot. So regardless we would only end up in the mess of the 2. Besides that we wouldn't have enough time to catch up with the infrastructure and technology of the two before they attack a potential sikh state. It would be vulnerable in the beginning- unless the british or americans fund it all, which I doubt they would. Unless america dissolves pakistan and hands it over to sikhs and hindus to share. Then we can use the pathans, syeds, khans as our servants as our ancestors did, they can clean our shoes and fit our toilets.

[InderjitS]

Sikh rights group backs US move to prosecute Indian diplomat

December 30, 2013

Special Correspondent

For news details visit : http://www.nation.com.pk/international/30-Dec-2013/sikh-rights-group-backs-us-move-to-prosecute-indian-diplomat

For news details Read on : Sikh rights group backs US move to prosecute Indian diplomat

NEW YORK - Amid continuing Delhi-Washington standoff over the arrest of a female Indian diplomat, a New York-based Sikh advocacy group on Sunday came out in support of the US move to prosecute her on charges of visa fraud and underpaying her maid.
Devyani Khobragade, 39, India's deputy consul general, who was handcuffed and strip-searched while in detention, has denied the charges and in turn accused her maid, Sangeeta Richard, of theft and attempted blackmail.
“Ms Khobragade should be tried in the US Court as, we are in a country where law of land is supreme and immunity to anyone based on their official position is unacceptable”, Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, the legal advisor to the group, "Sikhs for Justice, said in a statement.
In calling for the Indian diplomat’s prosecution, Pannun welcomed the 2013 report of the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Christof Heyns, which says that impunity represents a major challenge in India. Heyns, who visited India in 2012, presented the report to UN Human Rights Council (UN HRC), recommending ‘a series of legal reforms and policy measures aimed at fighting impunity and decreasing the level of unlawful killings in India”.
In his statement, Pannun said that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, who continues to provide impunity in India to its cabinet members like Kamal Nath and other leaders for their alleged involvement in November 1984 anti-Sikh riots, was now demanding immunity for Khobragade from US government. India has demanded an apology from the US over the diplomat's alleged "humiliation".
Khobragade has since been posted to India's Mission to the United Nations in New York in a move to give her full diplomatic immunity from prosecution.
American officials so far insist that whatever immunity Ms Khobragade earns from the switch will not be retroactive.
“Receiving diplomatic immunity does not nullify any previously existing criminal charges,” said Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman. “Those remain on the books.” Meanwhile, India is checking the tax status of Americans working at schools in the country, after the arrest this month of an Indian diplomat in New York, according to US media reports.
In a dispatch from New Delhi, The New York Times said Indian Foreign Service officials are not letting the matter drop even though politicians have stopped denouncing the United States for the arrest and humiliation of Ms Khobragade. "The continued hard feelings suggest that the dispute could have a long-term impact on a relationship both sides say is crucial," the report said. India would no longer turn a blind eye to tax violations by diplomats' spouses taking up work in the country, an unnamed official was quoted as saying in media reports.
New Delhi has also withdrawn some privileges enjoyed by American diplomats and their families in the country, added the official. "Spouses and children have no more immunity. So if there is a parking offence or something else happening in Bangalore etcetera, they would be held liable."
India has also canceled the United States Embassy’s import privileges for food and alcohol, according to The New York Times. And security barriers that surrounded the embassy in New Delhi have been permanently removed. Indian officials say the barriers were unnecessary and in some cases impeded traffic.
“We would not do anything to adversely affect the security of the US Embassy,” the Indian External Affairs Ministry spokesman was quoted as saying. “To suggest otherwise is unfair.”
There are 14 other Indian maids working for Indian diplomats in the United States, and India is negotiating over their status with the State Department, it said. To India, these maids should be considered Indian government employees whose employment does not fall under American wage and hour laws. The US embassy declined to comment on the latest steps.
The New York Times dispatch said, "A little-noticed aspect of the uproar has been India’s unhappiness with American officials of Indian descent. The federal prosecutor on the case, Preet Bharara, is of Indian descent, as are many officials on the South Asia desk of the United States State Department.
"India has a fraught relationship with members of its own diaspora. Commercials and Bollywood films often treat such people with mild contempt, and in the Khobragade case, Indian officials have said they believe that their counterparts in the United States treated India poorly in an excessive show of loyalty to the United States.
"American officials quietly say they bent over backward to heal bruised feelings. On Dec. 19, Secretary of State John Kerry tried to get in touch with the Indian foreign secretary, Salman Khurshid, but Khurshid did not take his call for reasons he has not explained. So Kerry called Shivshankar Menon, the Indian national security adviser, to express his “regret” over the matter.
"While US Secretary of State John Kerry has expressed his "regret" over Ms Khobragade's arrest, the state department has said it will not drop charges, as requested by India."
The Times said, "Ms. Khobragade could leave the United States for India, never return and never face another day in court, but that seems unlikely because her husband, a professor of philosophy, was raised in the United States and has family there."

[Mehtab Singh]

India welcomes dismissal of visa fraud charges against Devyani Khobragade

NEW DELHI: India on Thursday termed as "good as far as it goes" the dismissal of visa fraud charges by a US court against senior diplomat Devyani Khobragade, whose arrest and strip-search had triggered a diplomatic row between the two countries.

"We have seen the judgment related to the indictment of January 9. It is good as far as it goes," spokesperson in the ministry of external affairs said.

He said the lawyers will meet to "examine it carefully before we are able to respond substantially and in more detail".

Khobragade, who was India's deputy consul-general in New York, was arrested on December 12 outside her children's school.

She has won dismissal of the indictment against her for visa fraud, with a US judge ruling she had full diplomatic immunity.

However, prosecutors are not barred from bringing new charges in future.

Reacting to the US court verdict, her father Uttam Khobragade said, "They tried to trap Devyani with a false complaint against her. I thank the Indian government and the Indians for their cooperation and help. She will go back to America with full diplomatic immunity".

US District Judge Shira Scheindlin said in her 14-page order that "it is undisputed" that Khobragade acquired full diplomatic immunity at 5:47 pm on January 8 after the US State Department approved her accreditation as a counselor to India's mission to the United Nations.

While the indictment was returned on January 9, Khobragade had the immunity till she departed from the US for India on the evening of January 9 and so the prosecutors cannot proceed with the current indictment.

"Khobragade's motion to dismiss the indictment on the ground of diplomatic immunity is granted. Khobragade's conditions of bail are terminated, and her bond is exonerated. It is ordered that any open arrest warrants based on this indictment must be vacated," Scheindlin said in her 14-page order, capping months of unprecedented diplomatic tensions between the US and India.

"On January 9, immediately following the return of the indictment, Khobragade appeared before the court through counsel and moved to dismiss the case. Because the court lacked jurisdiction over her at that time, and at the time the indictment was returned, the motion must be granted," the judge said ordering that the motion and the case be closed.

US Attorney Preet Bharara's office had argued that Khobragade, 39, was not immune from her December 12 arrest on charges of visa fraud and making false statements about the visa application of her domestic help Sangeeta Richard.

Khobragade's arrest on visa fraud charges had triggered a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-welcomes-dismissal-of-visa-fraud-charges-against-Devyani-Khobragade/articleshow/31930921.cms

[BobbyMann75]

Sikhs will get an Independent nation when they arise from the disunity and identity issues that are prevalent.