Naamdharis Given Air On Sangat Tv

[sachasoorma]

Watched that whole programme and it was not giving naamdharis any qudos......infact they were asked why they dont just call they're "guru" sant or baba like many sant samaaj people.

Also they were asked why they dont help sikh victims of 1984 genocide.

That presenter is a new guy who seems to be asking good questions from a sikhi view point.

He has asked good questions to sikhs for justice and seva84.......and premiered they're documentary on survivours of delhi massacre.

He has interviewed castewatch uk aswel and put the caste issue in right terms of culture as opposed to sikhi.

This encounters programme seems like a breathe of fresh air.

[sat]

if they are singing the praises of the guru then it has to be their deh tari guru it can not be SGGS JI otherwise why have a deh tari guru in the first place ?, also we need to stop making excuses for the kookas they are what they are devotees of a deh tari guru full stop. They are not part of the khalsa panth who has only allegiance to SGGS JI the jyot of the ten Gurus.

[Toofana]

Sangat television are a disgrace. They had Nirankaris on the week before too. May be a deeper rooted conspiracy behind it all. AP Mann is pathetic.

[sachasoorma]

I watch sangat quite alot and dont remember ANY narakdharis on there.......deeper rooted conspiracy??? Maybe you should prove the fact by saying which show and presenter had narakdhari on it.....hopefully its not the second pic you posted, as thats the naamdhari that was on this monday.

Also the pic of aps maan is pretty old as i have seen it before ages ago........or are people not allowed to make mistakes in life.

Judge only when you can be sure you're personally worthy.

Which is never.

[Guest]

Namdharis,nirankaris,radhaswamis,neeldharis,etc they are all in the same boat. and they are all headed to dehdhari guru land.Just follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji sache patshah.

[WaljinderSingh]

Namdharis,nirankaris,radhaswamis,neeldharis,etc they are all in the same boat. and they are all headed to dehdhari guru land.Just follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji sache patshah.

Neeldharis? Are you sure? Baba Satnam Singh ji has taken Amrit from panj pyare and direct sangat to follow Guru Granth Sahib.

[Singh900]

Really..do you want to provide any evidence, videos etc of naamdharis singing shabads praising their own Guru..or is this another rumour with no evidence to back it up...

I have seen various youtube videos of Naamdhari kirtan...I dont see any shabads where they are singing to their own pakhandi baba as you state...

[BritishSingh]

I haven't seen the show with Naamdharis on it but, according to Sikh Rehat Maryada:

The Definition of Sikh :

Article I
Any human being who faithfully believes in
i. One Immortal Being,
ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,
iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,
iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and

v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

These people be it Naamdharis, Radhasoamis, Nirankaris, Ravidasia or anyone else who doesn't fit the definition of a Sikh according to the Sikh Rehat Maryada are not Sikhs. They are of a different religion/organisation.

I have no problem with a Naamdhari being given air time just as if a Muslim, Hindu or Christian being given air time. These types of discussions allow people to make up their own minds and show how pakhandi they are. Sangat Tv should have a disclaimer that these views of Naamdharis do not represent Sangat Tv or the Sikh Community.

[Singh900]

When the sangat is in the darbar of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the true and only guru of the sikhs we sing the praises of the true guru. this begs the question cisco sind, who do the kuke sing the praises of?

[sachasoorma]

It appears that this thread like absolutely EVERY THREAD on this forum has gone from discussing a particular issue to digressing and morphing into this aint sikhi and that is sikhi.

I'm the truer sikh and your not a proper sikh.

I watched this programme in its entirety and found nothing objectionable whatsoever.

Obviously i would have an issue with naamdharis given a platform to air their views unchallenged on sangat tv, but that is far far from what happened here so it begs the question.........

Why start attacking something you have'nt seen?

Typical bandwagon singhs.

How many of you wrote to the conservative leader of ealing council voicing concern about anita kapoor??? Not one of the sher's on this forum did.

How do i know? Because i asked.

The conservative party doesn't even know theres an issue.

British sikhs are the ape ancestors of their north american intelligent cousins.

Fight amongst yourselves over who's the truest sikh why dont you.

Shaabaash.

According to you imbeciles;

Gora media is biased.

Indian media is biased.

And the sikh channels are a disgrace.

So once again we find the world not understanding us........or maybe some of us need to look in the mirror??

Because sikhi in the uk is flourishing in the uk yes?? Er.......no!

We are regarded as foaming at the mouth fanatics........reading the threads on here...........i wonder where they get that idea????