Basics Of Sikhi Vs Dawah Man

[TheFancyBanana]

"It's not about counting rhetorical devices"...(Jagraj Singh)

Debate over.

Seriously, what was he going on about? 10 words prove it's God's work? What?

The thing that proves Sikhi is the best is how it doesn't need to prove it is the light for the world. It doesn't need to claim that it will save mankind. One just has to read a few angs of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and they will realise this treasure is here for the whole world, "Jagat Guru".

[Jivan76]

Gurmukh'o

Who cares what they say or who they say it to??

Please watch the video as a tool to learn Gursikh values in a debate, rather than an attack manual or an arms cache for petty point scoring against hapless muslims.

Even if you win and destroy their arguments, what have you actually achieved??

And yes i know and understand that its not my place to make such requests, but it just seems logical as per my understanding of Gursikh Jivani.

The clear winner is Sri Waheguru Maharaj who allowed Bhai Jugraj Singh the gift of comprehension.

Bhulla di khema

[Jonny101]

The average IQ level of his subscribers seems to be 70 or at best 80.

The clear winner is Bhai Jagraj Singh, they use fundamentalism and blind faith and parrot science, reason and logic without knowing what they're parroting. A third party non-Sikh and non-Musli will declare Bhai Jagraj Singh as the most logical and have won the debate.

These guys can parrot their crap in countries like UK and Canada where blind political correctness has infected society and a lot of Sikhs, but here in USA they won't be able to go around parring non-sense like this.

Sadly the Dawahman edited the video to hide his confused, defeated and humbled facial expressions from his subscribers. This is very dishonest of him yet he talks, walks and acts like a man of Allah on a mission to spread his Deen.

He clearly lost the debate. Originally he called to make this meeting in a 5 minute encounter where he probably thought he would finish off Jagraj Singh Jee. But when he realized Jagraj Singh is something else, the debate went on for 1 hour in which Jagraj Singh totally dominated the debate. The only point Dawah Man was stuck on was the 10 word miracle because he knew he had nothing else to show the greatness of Islam over Sikhi and even that 10 word miracle is nothing compared to the miracles that occurred through Guru Jee.

[Singh559]

Sadly the Dawahman edited the video to hide his confused, defeated and humbled facial expressions from his subscribers. This is very dishonest of him yet he talks, walks and acts like a man of Allah on a mission to spread his Deen.

He clearly lost the debate. Originally he called to make this meeting in a 5 minute encounter where he probably thought he would finish off Jagraj Singh Jee. But when he realized Jagraj Singh is something else, the debate went on for 1 hour in which Jagraj Singh totally dominated the debate. The only point Dawah Man was stuck on was the 10 word miracle because he knew he had nothing else to show the greatness of Islam over Sikhi and even that 10 word miracle is nothing compared to the miracles that occurred through Guru Jee.

At University last year we had a table during Sikh awareness month to bring awareness to our identity - was followed right after the Oak Creak incident. A Catholic came up and we started to talk and he asked a few loaded questions, but we discussed for a good 40 minutes. In the end he started to respect our beliefs and I told him how we're different from even Abrahamic religions in general.

Another time I was walking on campus to the library and these Christian preachers who kept saying (repent you will go to hell and whatnot) approached me and a friend who is also a Singh. They stopped us and they had their usual rhetoric, we discussed and refuted all his points. It was interesting because a crowd started to form around us to listen. Moral of stories are know about other religions just so you can defend your own beliefs, because if you can't defend your beliefs you have no right to believe in them.

Bhai Jagraj Singh did an amazing job, especially considering he wasn't expecting this.

[Mehtab Singh]

Find me anything that comes anywhere close to just this one Chhand from the Bir Rass Bani of Dasmesh Pita Ji.

ਸੰਗੀਤ ਭੁਜੰਗ ਪ੍ਰਯਾਤ ਛੰਦ ॥

SANGEET BHUJANG PRAYAAT STANZA

ਕਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਕਾਤੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਕੜਾਕੰ ॥

The sounds of the blows of the daggers and swords are being heard.

ਤਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਤੀਰੰ ਤੁੱਪਕੰ ਤੜਾਕੰ ॥

The sounds of the shafts and gunshots are being heard.

ਝਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਜੇ ॥

Various sounds of musical instruments are resounding.

ਗਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਗਾਜੀ ਮਹਾਂ ਗੱਜ ਗਾਜੇ ॥੩੫॥੧੧੨॥

The warriors are roaring and shouting loudly.35.112.

ਸਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਸੂਰੰ ਕਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਕੋਪੰ ॥

The great heroes have been struck.

ਪਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਪਰਮੰ ਰਣੰ ਪਾਵ ਰੋਪੰ ॥

And the brave fighters are belching.36.113.

ਸਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਸਸਤ੍ਰੰ ਝਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਝਾਰੈਂ ॥

The warriors seem pleased on shooting sharp arrows on the bodies.

ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬੀਰੰ ਡਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਡਕਾਰੈਂ ॥੩੬॥੧੧੩॥

There are loud shouts with profound resoundings, and the poets describe them in their verses.37.114.

ਚਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਚਉਪੇ ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬੀਰੰ ॥ ਮਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਮਾਰੇ ਤਨੰ ਤਿੱਛ ਤੀਰੰ ॥

The demons are running away and the heroes are shouting loudly.

ਗਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਗੱਜੇ ਸੁਬੱਜੇ ਗਹੀਰੈਂ ॥ ਕਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਕਵੀਯਾਨ ਕੱਥੇ ਕਥੀਰੈਂ ॥੩੭॥੧੧੪॥

The sounds are produced by the striking axes and daggers. The arrows and the guns are creating their own noses.38.115.

ਗਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਗੋਮਾਯ ਗੱਜੇ ਗਹੀਰੰ ॥ ਸਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਸੰਖੰ ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਫੀਰੰ ॥

The loud noise of drums and the resounding of conches and trumpets is being heard in the battlefield.

ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਜੇ ਬੱਜੇ ਬੀਰ ਖੇਤੰ ॥ ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਾਚੇ ਸੁ ਭੂਤੰ ਪਰੇਤੰ ॥੩੯॥੧੧੬॥

The musical instruments of the warriors are being played and the ghosts and goblins are dancing.39.116.

ਤਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਤੀਰੰ ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਣੰ ॥ ਕਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਕਾਤੀ ਕਟਾਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣੰ ॥

The noises of the arrows and shafts, daggers and swords are being heard.

ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਾਦੰ ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਜੇ ॥ ਸਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਸੂਰੰ ਰਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਰਾਜੇ ॥੪੦॥੧੧੭॥

The music of the musical instruments and the drumming of the trumpets resounds and the warriors and chieftains are doing their job amidst such resonance.40.117.

ਸਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਸੰਖੰ ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਫੀਰੰ ॥ ਗਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਗੋਮਾਯ ਗੱਜੇ ਗਹੀਰੰ ॥

The conches, clarionets and the drums resounded.

ਨਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਨਗਾਰੇ ਬਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਬਾਜੇ ॥ ਜਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਜੋਧਾ ਗਾਗੜਦੰਗ ਗਾਜੇ ॥੪੧॥੧੧੮॥

The trumpets and musical instruments produced their sounds and alongwith their resonance, the warriors thundered.41.118.

[immommora]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwNh2HZAxVc

[BasicsofSikhi]

VJKK VJKF,

Sangat ji, as you have all ready said, this was all Kirpa of Guruji and Guru ki Sangat ji. We were just going about doing our parchar and the muslims guys started to approach our Singhs and questioning them. They were already aware of our "Street Parchar" and also previously they had made a "whitewash" video condemning the grooming which had also criticised as it just defended Islam rather than dealt with the issue.

They approached us, they had questions and obviously we didn't want to look like we didn;t want to deal with this. As you saw, they did pick their best man or maybe he picked himself and he came with this silly argument. He's used this argument in so many of his videos, its probably his favourite and as you can see, he got to it straight away.

Mahraaj kirpa, we batted him off but really since it was being filmed, our job was to ensure that Sikhi parchar got across rather than just let him talk. He's probably used to Sikhs who have nothing to say back so this is where his confidence began to break. Daas is grateful for your kind words but really, its all Guru's kirpa that so many of our youth got to watch this video and saw a Saabat Soorat Sikh tell the Dawah Man whats what about Sikh.

A lot of our youth lack confidence and knowledge nowadays, both of which are linked tbh. We're going to making more videos that deal with this exact issue of countering conversion tactics. The main issue we have at the moment is lack of either committed volunteers or lack of funds to hire skilled people to do a lot of the admin and editing of our videos.

If any sangata want to give us their sehyog and allow us to do more of our Gurus work, then please use http://bit.ly/1cRKGdz Whether its £5 a month or £50, all will go towards parchar and NOT building funds. Hopefully in a few years we can have 10-20 full time Sikh parchariks across the western world. Please do your ardaasa for us as well.

"mere Raam Tor Bandhan Maaya, Ghar ke Kamm Laae"

[Jivan76]

Bhai Jugraj Singh ji

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa

Waheguru ji ki Fateh

Your style and demeanour smashed his initial petulance.........TRUE SINGH OF SRI DASAM PITTA KALGIDHAR PAATSHA!!!!!

Proud to show the world that real Khalsa is eternal.........1699-2014 and counting

Jo Bole So Nihal,.............

[Mehtab Singh]

Bhai Sahib Jugraj Singh jeeo

With folded hands,

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh

to you...

What else can I say

[DiscoverSikhism]

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

So, the guy's point was that he can verify the rhetorical devices in his religion? Great, are these the same rhetorical devices that allow for lying and deception.

Far too often the musalmaan is more concerned with his ordained mission of winning the debate than in respecting the dignity of the opposition partner in the match-up. That type of tactic is important to Muslims, and is not considered unfair. In fact, winning dishonestly is a categorical moral imperative. This was displayed by approaching Bhaji with a pre-rehearsed argument (which he kept repeating).

One should always be very cautious and careful regarding debating musalmaan, as many see no problem using lies and deception on those occasions. Often, they do not understand dialogue and debate meetings as an open and honest exchange of convictions, but it is part of the Islamic war against unbelievers in another form, and "war is deceit" as Muhammad said.

‘Let not the believers take the disbelievers as ‘Awliyaa' (supporters, helpers) instead of the believers, and whoever does that, will never be helped by Allaah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them" [Q. 3:28].

A verse warning muslims to refrain from taking non-muslims as friends is to illustrate the mandate that muslims are under which demands from them to associate with non-muslims only for a very specific purpose, which is to lead the ‘infidel’ into the ‘house of islam’, chattel slavery, or death.

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