A Very Bitter Truth That Needs To Be Expressed

[username1]

People who hate Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale call him "Bhindranwale". I see this every day in Hindu media. Also, I found it very insulting to compare Santji with Ravan, it will be insulting to compare Santji to Ram too. Even millions of Rams cannot be compared to Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale!

Sure it's short, bhindranwale would sign his name has Giani Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale not sant. I personally don't believe in sants as people describe them to be (hence i'm not a sant-samajhi). Not everyone who hates Bhindranwale calls him as such, calling someone by their surname is not a symbol of hate, using derogatory language would be a sign of that. The Indian media dislike speaking about him but it still pops up with them.

Millions of rams can not compare to any Sikh; everyone is unique in their own way. As he said himself we are Sikhs of guru gobind singh.

[Shaastar]

Mehtab Singh jee, are these 'facts' or points you have made about the ramayan or mahabharat what the hindus are showed? For example on these t.v. series they have or movies they make, are these shown there or is this something you have come across by yourself some how? I have no idea about mahabarat or ramayan and I don't really watch the series (guys flying with massive ladoo battons, does seem funny).

[Shaastar]

then again after Duryodhans misdeeds it was also unfair he gifted with that armour.

Id say good on ol bheem boy.

Corruption in India i would say is more to do with inheriting a colonised robbed country being run by a 5% elite, systematic abusse by Heirarchy system so when crap happens they say "Challoh challoh ageh kiyah". The central part of it is the abuse by the Priestly and aristocrats who look at joe bloggs as cattle "sudra". Same way Wahabis look at us as kuffr.

I could be wrong but maybe theres a racial element to it. Most Indians proper brown, did they look upto chitteh skinned people and thought its bob marley one love style? Man say jump desi asks how high?

India maybe better off in a power share coallition of Martial tribes. Sound a bit racist, but if you get a despot ruler next one wont have it. The disparity between the current rulers and its laymen is sooo far that nobody cares about one mans opinion in todays India.

[username1]

In wrestling terms it was a low blow. But it got the job done and he retained the championship.

[JasSinghKhalsa]

The whole Mahabharata war was won with FRAUD, the justification is "Oh Kauravs did a lot of fraud, hence in order to defeat FRAUD, you have to commit FRAUD". This pshchology has gone so ahead that FRAUD / LYING / DECEIVING has become the mainstay of the Hindu mainstream society. The argument is "It is Bhagwan Krishna Leela, he did it, so no harm even if we lie/deceive/cheat somebody".

Killing of Bhishma Pitamah - Shikhandi shielded Arjun.

Killing of Karna - Who came to Karna and took away his life saving jacket, Indra! The first wish after every Surya ("SUN GOD") Namaskar was something which Karna never used to refuse.

ANALOGIES

Our equivalent to Vibhishan is Prakash Singh Badal, and probably not K.S. Brar. P.S.Badal, who got Raaj-Paat in return of back-stabbing Khalsa Panth.

Sagar-Manthan - in which both Devtaas and Rakhshas did the Manthan together, but then Rakshas were cheated by Devtaas to steal the pot of "AMRIT". These are the roots of current lies/cheatings if any you face at the hands of any Hindu brother.

Analogy - More than 85% of sacrifies made by Sikhs for Indian Independence, who cheated Sikhs after 1947, fall back on promises, back stabbed Sikhs is well known ... Does this reminds you of SAGAR-MANTHAN???

What I am not sure is how much of the scriptures have been modified, Sri Krishna / Sri Rama NEVER founded any religion such as "Hinduism". Sri Rama also ate BERS "Fruit" tasted by a low-caste woman devotee Shabri, and the same is true for Sri Krishna, however we see the concept of untouchability deep-rooted in the Indian society before Guru Nanak, which implies somewhere during the Vedic period, the epics of Ramayana and Mahabaratha have been modified, and a new structure to worship Brahmins have been put in place.

Sri Rama/Sri Krishna were Kshyatrias and not Brahmins, and definately not "HINDUS", and DID-NOT founded any religion, leave apart "HINDUISM".

Hindus even justifying "Hinduism" is a way of life - Arabs gave us the name "Hindu" as living south of Sindhu, as they were unable to pronounce "S". I am surprised how even educated Indians, so advanced now in IT/Medicine etc. can fool around themselves with such a stupid reasoning.

They are changing names of cities such as Bombay to Mumbai, Bangalore to Bangaluru, Madras to Chennai, Calcutta to Kolkatta, as the older names given by BRITISH signify SLAVERY. Then how come, the word HINDU given by ARABS still does not signify SLAVERY???

[gurdssingh]

I am not writing this to hurt anyone's feelings or offend anyone religious sentiments, but only to emphasize the fact that the history of a community reflects its character, personality, thought process and ideals. The philosophy they abide by reflects in whatever acts they do.In Ramayan, Ram Chander needed Sugreev's help in finding Sita. Sugreev however was already grieving as his kingdom and also consort was taken away by his brother Bali. Ram Chander asked Bali to challenge Sugreev in a wrestling combat and that he would shoot Bali with his arrow while they fought. Eventually, Ram Chander killed Bali while he himself hiding. This is where the Indians learnt the art of fake encounters.Further on, Ram killed Ravan after being assisted by Vibheeshan, who was Ravan's own brother. Those who know about the background of Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale will know that his ancestry was Brar Jatt. Now this has absolutely no significance or place in Gurmat, but lets consider this just for a minute to understand the mentality of our foes. We also know the ethnicity of Gen. K.S. Brar. The Indians played the same game. Just like Ram had Vibheeshan to assist him against Ravan, Indira had Gen. Brar to assist her because she and her lot saw Sant Jee as Ravan. Vibheeshan is condemned the same way by Hindus as Gen. Brar is by the Sikh qaum.In Mahabharat, Dronacharya was killed by Draupadi's brother Drushtadyumman after he heard about the false news of his son Ashwathama's death. Drona was so emotionally shattered that he gave up his weapons and sat in meditation right in the battlefield. Thats when Drushtadyumman beheaded him. Such similar lies were spread in the 80s and 90s to weaken the Jujhaaroo leher and damage the kind of support Singhs were getting from the common masses of Punjab, including Hindus. Black cats in the guise of Singhs were used to terrorize, rape, loot and kill Hindus so as to break that trust which many of the common and often poor Hindus of rural Punjab had in the Singhs.Continuing with Mahabharat, Karan was killed by Arjun as he was fixing the wheel of his chariot. Who provoked Arjun? Krishan did! It was clearly against the rules of war as decided to kill/attack anyone unarmed, but he did it anyways. In India, innocent Sikhs were massacred, unarmed men, women, children and even old people were not spared.Krishna had vowed not to pick up arms in the Mahabharat war, but at one point he did pluck out the wheel from Arjun's chariot and was ready to strike Bheesham. Breaking vows is something that has been followed traditionally by the hill Rajas at the time of Dasmesh Pita ji and more recently by Pandit Nehru.Duryodhan was killed treacherously by Bheem. In gada yudh, you are not supposed to hit the opponent above his thighs, which is what Bheem did. Duryodhan had acquired supernatural powers as per which his entire body had become as hard as steel, except the part above his thighs, which again was Krishan's conspiracy, so that Duryodhan doesn't acquire a 100% steel body. Another example of treachery. Sikhs were hurt in the most brutal way by attacking Sri Darbar Sahib, so that the maximum wound could be afflicted on the entire community and psyche.There are several other examples that are not coming to mind right now. The entire war(s) fought in Ramayan and Mahabharat, except for a handful of few heroic and brave combats, was a total treachery. The "good" side heavily cheated, and the "bad" side was invincible. It is justified to this day that it was fair, because it is fair to "cheat" in order to take down your "bad" opponent. This exact formula was used against Sikhs. Khalistan was/is a "bad" idea, and every method was/is to be put into action to "take down" this "bad" idea.Let me also add, that not all Hindus feel comfortable with the above mentioned events. The ones who are educated, moderate, rational and sane do question them repeatedly. I personally have come across several educated and rational Hindus (both ladies and gentlemen) who go to the extent of claiming Ramayan and Mahabharat to be as unreal stories. Perhaps they find it shameful to accept the above mentioned facts.Do you want to convince a Hindu about Khalistan? Use examples from their own history and explain. If the Jujharoo Singhs were terrorists, then how do they explain Hanuman setting fire to Lanka where innocent civilians also lived? Why do they then so devoutly worship someone who committed an act of terrorism? If avenging the honor of Draupadi was justified by carrying out the "dharam yudh" of Mahabharat where millions perished, then howcome the Jujharoo leher is called terrorism which started after thousands of Sikh girls were brutally gang-raped. Sorry, there cannot be 2 rules that are twisted and used as per the convenience of those in power or those in majority. They need to learn to call a spade a spade.However, the most discouraging and heart-breaking thing which I've come across is that the amount of treachery Indians have learnt from their history is far more, much more than the divine virtues of our Guru Sahibaan, Gurmukh Pyaare Sant Sipahi and Shaheed Singhs we (except a handful of GurSikhs) have managed to imbibe within our soul, character and personality.May Guru Sahib do kirpa and we are blessed to imbibe those divine Gurmat virtues in ourselves. May Guru Sahib also do bakshish on our vichaare non-Sikh brothers and sisters so that they wake up and try to live their life based on the lives of those good-hearted non-Sikh shardhalus of our Guru Sahibaan and other azeez non-Sikh friends of GurSikhs and Shaheeds. Eventually, those who are destined will definitely come into the fold of the Khalsa. Those who are not, may they continue to live noble lives but opposite from the lives of those who lived only to harm Sikhs.Let me also say that I haven't written this to please one set of people and enrage another, NO! I've written what I've had in mind for many years but just felt the time has come to say it out. We need to fully and completely understand where our foes are coming from and what mentality they have. Those non-Sikhs who have respect for Guru Sahibaan, the distinctness of Sikhi and uniqueness of Khalsa Panth, they are always worth embracing. Those who only wish harm, they are the ones with whom we will never make any compromise.Sincere apologies if this hurts anyone, but its a common trend we've been watching and it just had to be exposed.ਮਹਿਤਾਬ ਸਿੰਘDec. 24, 2013

A very bitter truth indeed, this is also the history of ancestors of Sikhs as majority of Sikhs are from Punjab, India . Our ancestors related to and believed these stories. In paragraph 9 you state 'educated Hindus' question these stories and from your writing you give them props, but how do you feel about missionaries who Hindus would consider educated Sikhs who do not believe 'stories' about our history, Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji, 1699 Vaisakhi etc. Don't belittle other dharms itihass. Also there is no shortage of gaddars in Sikh history.

[Mehtab Singh]

this is also the history of ancestors of Sikhs as majority of Sikhs are from Punjab, India . Our ancestors related to and believed these stories.

My ancestors who were non-Sikhs most likely did believe in them, and before I was a Sikh I definitely did as well. Doesn't mean I need to continue doing it.

from your writing you give them props

No I don't, I did say they are probably ashamed to admit it.

how do you feel about missionaries who Hindus would consider educated Sikhs who do not believe 'stories' about our history, Shaheed Baba Deep Singh Ji, 1699 Vaisakhi etc.

Missionaries or anyone who rejects any section Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji or Panth parvaanit Sikh itihaas are as misled as kids waiting tonight for Santa Claus.

Don't belittle other dharms itihass. Also there is no shortage of gaddars in Sikh history.

Speaking truth is not belittling, plus this was just my own way of looking at it and if it hurts then you have my apologies.

[Mehtab Singh]

Our equivalent to Vibhishan is Prakash Singh Badal, and probably not K.S. Brar. P.S.Badal, who got Raaj-Paat in return of back-stabbing Khalsa Panth.

Haha, you're right, only thing is that Hanera Chand Badal tends to switch sides from time to time as it suits his sewage level political agenda.

Sagar-Manthan - in which both Devtaas and Rakhshas did the Manthan together, but then Rakshas were cheated by Devtaas to steal the pot of "AMRIT". These are the roots of current lies/cheatings if any you face at the hands of any Hindu brother.

Analogy - More than 85% of sacrifies made by Sikhs for Indian Independence, who cheated Sikhs after 1947, fall back on promises, back stabbed Sikhs is well known ... Does this reminds you of SAGAR-MANTHAN???

Fully agreed, although here they see Sikhs as rakshas and themselves as devte.

What I am not sure is how much of the scriptures have been modified, Sri Krishna / Sri Rama NEVER founded any religion such as "Hinduism". Sri Rama also ate BERS "Fruit" of a low-caste Shabri, and the same is true for Sri Krishna, however we see the concept of untouchability deep-rooted in the Indian society before Guru Nanak, which implies somewhere during the Vedic period, the epics of Ramayana and Mahabaratha have been modified, and a new structure to worship Brahmins have been put in place.

Ram did kill Shambook after his guru Vashisht said "Some Shudra is praying in your regime. This is a big no-no".

[JasSinghKhalsa]

A very bitter truth indeed, this is also the history of ancestors of Sikhs as majority of Sikhs are from Punjab, India . Our ancestors related to and believed these stories.

Veerj, you are spot on, and that's why the Shabad "Mitti Dhundh Jag Channan hoya, Satguru Nanak Pargateya, Mitti Dhundh Jag Channan Hoya. Jeo Kar Suraj Nikaleya, Taare Chappe Andher Paloya" is the answer.

YES, even our fore-fathers were in the DARK, and not just DARKNESS, BUT DHUNDH "FOG", where one can't see even with LIGHT.

Yes, Bhai Lehna Jee "One of our fore-fathers" also used to go to Mata Darshan, but when saw and met Guru Nanak Dev Jee, got the Darshan of One Akal-Purakh Waheguru., and left worship of Devi-Devtaas, idol worship which they realised is blind worship, "Devi-Deva Pooje Murakh Gawar".

[jashb]

Hanera Chand Badal

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