** Tom Watson Uk Member Of Parliament Reveals Biggest Secret: Britain Involved In 1984 Army Attack On Darbar Sahib

[WaljinderSingh]

A very good analysis of the report findings. The big question is why did the British Govt even provide any advice to Indira when she had proved herself a Dictator during the Emergency of the mid 70's when she suspended parliament and took full control of India. She was involved in crushing any opposition to her which resulted in thousands being locked and extra judicial killings. The huge non violent protests by Sikhs particularly annoyed her during that period

yeah. There are many such points. How could the british govt be so stupid to take the words of a known dictator and not try to find what the real problem of Punjab was? They must have observed Darbaar sahib during their analysis in Amritsar. What terrorist activities did they find? How was Darbar sahib out of control and out of whos control? Was the awareness which created a threat or the fact that Sikhs were coming into Sikhi by taking Amrit - 1000s per week on average as per this video?

[cool water]

From this whitewash of a report we can conclude that the British government back then and to this day is complicit in propping up and aiding abetting war criminals, dictators, genocides.

Now we need to form a border coalition of British people against this type of foreign policy. SAS and M16 have long been suspected of being British state sanctioned terrorist organisations now evidence is emerging that is the case. They do not go out to help oppressed people they go out to help oppress and cause the genocides of persecuted people (like the Sikhs, Tamils, Kurds, etc) in order British economic interests are safeguarded. These persecuted people are seeking freedom / self-determination and other civil and human rights to which many right thinking dismayed people will be wondering why the democratic civilised nation like United Kingdom and other western democracies would not support.

We all grew up with much respect and admiration for British establishments seemingly democratic, high ethical and moral stance on issues around the world now we see the real face uncovered that they themselves are complicit in mass murder, death and destruction of innocent human beings in their geo-political games against other opposition powers.

[lsingh]

Another lie by the Indian army was that had no intelligence and was asked to act suddenly, when in fact they were inside Gurdwara complex for months, pretending to do Sewa in the Langar. they new all positions of the Sikhs as Gen Jamwal said. It was the resistance of the Sikhs that they had underestimated and hence the armies high casualties.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/operation-bluestar-indira-gandhi-singh-bhindranwale-army/1/340981.html

Shortly after 10.30 p.m. on June 5, 1984, 20 men in black dungarees stealthily entered the Golden Temple. They wore night-vision goggles, M-1 steel helmets, bulletproof vests and carried a mix of MP-5 submachine guns and AK-47 assault rifles. The men of sg's 56th Commando Company were then the only force in India trained for room intervention, the specialised art of fighting in confined spaces. Each commando was a sharpshooter, diver and parachutist and could do 40-km speed marches. Some of them wore gas masks and carried stubby gas guns meant to launch CX gas canisters, a more potent tear gas. Three months before this night, the commandos had stayed around the temple and rehearsed for Operation Sundown. Some of them still sported the beards they had grown for their undercover work as volunteers in the Golden Temple's langar. When the plan was called off, they returned to their base in Sarsawa. They had flown into Amritsar the previous day at the request of Lt-Gen Sundarji.

SG operatives had earlier infiltrated the Golden Temple, disguised as pilgrims and journalists, to study its layout. Then, for several weeks, over 200 SG commandos had rehearsed the operation on a wood and Hessian cloth mock-up of the two-storeyed resthouse at their base in Sarsawa in Uttar Pradesh. Commandos would rope down from two Mi-4 transport helicopters onto the guest house and make a beeline for Bhindranwale. Once they captured him, he would be spirited away by a ground assault team which would drive in. There was a possibility of a firefight with the militant leader's bodyguards and civilians who could rush in to protect him.

[WaljinderSingh]

Rare video of Sant ji in light of these discussions

listen very carefully about comrades/Marxists/Socialists turning towards Sikhi and explaining why GOI was/is against Sikhs

[UKLondonSikh]

What are the next steps to take after the release of the report?

UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs.

WHAT Should Sikh organsations do to get Justice !!!

The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that.

The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense.

I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that).

Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt.

With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now.

However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible.

UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014

Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014

American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014

Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014

India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014

And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further.

Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty.

Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

[lsingh]

Is Operation Sundown a ploy by India and potentially the UK to divert attention from Bluestar and Woodrose and let the UK off the hook by saying it took part only in a cancelled Operation? When really the UK did take part in planning Bluestar.

It looks as if they stole the name from this US Marine exercise.

http://www.newriver.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/736/Article/134451/vmm-263-conducts-operation-sundown.aspx

Operation Sundown is a mock-training event to simulate as accurately as possible a mission while in the field or deployed,” said Capt. Robert E. Wicker, VMM-263 MV-22B Osprey pilot.

The mission began with a detailed brief of the mission objectives and where it would be taking place.

The forces organized under the name Joint Task Force Warhorse and consisted of Special Operations Command Marines, the Army 101st Airborne and the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit.

“The overall mission objective was to deploy JTF Warhorse to support the pro-democratic country of Mica against their continued fight against the fundamentalist Rocky Mountain Resistance Movement,” said Capt. Philip A. Bias, VMM-263 Osprey pilot.

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Is Operation Sundown a ploy by India and potentially the UK to divert attention from Bluestar and Woodrose and let the UK off the hook by saying it took part only in a cancelled Operation? When really the UK did take part in planning Bluestar.

It looks as if they stole the name from this US Marine exercise.

http://www.newriver.marines.mil/News/NewsArticleDisplay/tabid/736/Article/134451/vmm-263-conducts-operation-sundown.aspx

Operation Sundown is a mock-training event to simulate as accurately as possible a mission while in the field or deployed,” said Capt. Robert E. Wicker, VMM-263 MV-22B Osprey pilot.

The mission began with a detailed brief of the mission objectives and where it would be taking place.

The forces organized under the name Joint Task Force Warhorse and consisted of Special Operations Command Marines, the Army 101st Airborne and the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit.

“The overall mission objective was to deploy JTF Warhorse to support the pro-democratic country of Mica against their continued fight against the fundamentalist Rocky Mountain Resistance Movement,” said Capt. Philip A. Bias, VMM-263 Osprey pilot.

That is pretty interesting, what we as a kaum need to do is question the journalist who broke the story in the indian media and ask him where was his evidence of such claims and what were his sources. If he cant provide any credible proof then we can chuck the so called operation sundown article in the trash along with the credibility of that journalist.

[lsingh]

Can the organizations that stated they were engaging with politicians on the inquiry please give an update on next steps . It's nearly a week since the report came out and the sangat are not getting any concrete steps.This was raised by many at the weekend.

[cool water]

Can the organizations that stated they were engaging with politicians on the inquiry please give an update on next steps . It's nearly a week since the report came out and the sangat are not getting any concrete steps.This was raised by many at the weekend.

[WaljinderSingh]