The Truth Behind The Golden Temple Massacre

[UKLondonSikh 180]

He won't cite any credible sources nor will he use logic because he has a bias against Sikhs and human rights.

And the thing is Paji let's say one dubious (or forcibly coerced) source paid by the Government of India denigrates the historic truths relating to:

• General Shabeg Singh who opposed Pakistani terrorists and who put his life on the line against Pakistan in 1965 and 1971 with dual bravery medals
• Longowal Ji who sacrificed his own life trying to prevent the foreseeable Genocide of lakhs of Sikhs by terrorist Congress GOI after 1984
• the Sikh Panth which is unable as the Khalsa Panth to ever attack innocents and Sikhs unblemished record of never having attacked innocent Hindu's
• the truth that occurred at Muktsar, Hondh-Chillar, Gyan Godri and various other Gurdwara's which human rights organisations have documented etc, etc
• the truth the GOI Black Cats occupied Harmandir Sahib in the subsequent years to 1984 to denigrate those that opposed state terrorism

Those lies by such pimps working for the GOI and Hindutva agenda's can never whitewash the Truth so long as we contest it.

However, demographically our voice of Truth is drowned out in India by a greater volume of RSS lies simply because we define too few Sikhs as being part of the Panth.

So our only response must be to increase parchaar and seva so that more and more so-called Hindu's realise that Sikhi is the Truth for Sarbat Da Bhala (benefit of all)

Critical to achieving that is that we need to use June 2014 as a relaying point to set a new agenda away from our collective failure as a Sangat in the last 30 years:

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The painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now.

However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible.

UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014

Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014

American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014

Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014

India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014

And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further.

Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty.

Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

[GPS 1,337]

He won't cite any credible sources nor will he use logic because he has a bias against Sikhs and human rights.

Now they will reap what they sowed. God sees truth but waits.

The oppressive system has almost crumbled.There is no single party

that can rule at Federal level. Regional parties will call shots.

This is the result of oppressing policies that result in violation of human rights.

[Jonny101 4,458]

a) Shahbeg's brother freely admits that the aim was for the disintegration of India with pakistani support.

I dont know about his brother, but Gen Shahbeg Singh wanted to eventually settle down in a quiet and peaceful life in UP because he had farm land over there but operation bluestar happened and history took a different turn and so the General became a Shaheed.

[Hindustani 23]

He won't cite any credible sources nor will he use logic because he has a bias against Sikhs and human rights.

You're legit human rights I am for - language, religion, water, justice for 84 riots and other atrocities against you. However, hording arms in a religious place of worship thrice and holding pilgrims hostage is not a right.

BTW, for those that say Sandhu was a government mole are just fooling themselves. Government moles dont spend several years behind bars especially at the notorious tihar jail.

[GPS 1,337]

You're legit human rights I am for - language, religion, water, justice for 84 riots and other atrocities against you. However, hording arms in a religious place of worship thrice and holding pilgrims hostage is not a right.

BTW, for those that say Sandhu was a government mole are just fooling themselves. Government moles dont spend several years behind bars especially at the notorious tihar jail.

You have no reference to cite.neither you are aware of sikh traditions.

Arms are part and parcel of sikhs.Go to akal takhat now.It is full of arms.After completion of maryada path in the evening arms

are taken down with respect and laid down to rest.

No one held any pilgrim. Where are you getting your news from?

[Hindustani 23]

You have no reference to cite.neither you are aware of sikh traditions.

Arms are part and parcel of sikhs.Go to akal takhat now.It is full of arms.After completion of maryada path in the evening arms

are taken down with respect and laid down to rest.

No one held any pilgrim. Where are you getting your news from?

I am fully aware of sikh traditions because they originate in the wider subcontinental culture with some regional differences. And don't think having arms inside a temple, worshipping them, respecting them is outside of Hinduism.

Back to my point. Do you have AK-47s in western temples as well, or do you carry them around in Europe, Canada or America? Probably not because you would probably get arrested faster than you could say your name.

[Hindustani 23]

Nor am I completely sold that what Bhindranwale and his followers were doing was a "dharmyudh" in the strictest sense. A true dharmyudh as per ancient rules must have clear political goals, be in the defence of dharm and most importantly be in the favour of all of humanity. It also must be declared when other options have failed (negotiations done in good faith) have consent of elders and take precaution against harming innocents.

But saying that I also do not completely believe the government version. Or Brar's statement that "we had gods name on our lips when we entered" or that innocent people were not lined up and shot for no reason. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I will give it to Bhindranwale though he stood by his words to the last moment. From the reports that I am reading allegedly circulating in army circles he was captured alive but remained defiant even with a gun to his head.

[savinderpalsingh 708]

Nor am I completely sold that what Bhindranwale and his followers were doing was a "dharmyudh" in the strictest sense. A true dharmyudh as per ancient rules must have clear political goals, be in the defence of dharm and most importantly be in the favour of all of humanity. It also must be declared when other options have failed (negotiations done in good faith) have consent of elders and take precaution against harming innocents.

But saying that I also do not completely believe the government version. Or Brar's statement that "we had gods name on our lips when we entered" or that innocent people were not lined up and shot for no reason. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.

I will give it to Bhindranwale though he stood by his words to the last moment. From the reports that I am reading allegedly circulating in army circles he was captured alive but remained defiant even with a gun to his head.

we do not believe your document's we are not allowed to putt down weapons infront of our enemy until we are alive

if we do so we cannot face our Father Guru Gobind Singh ji

so knowing how sant ji were

i doubt he was ever taken alive

+ i have seen his post mortem report with 13 bullet marks

it denies your lie of documents circulating in army

[ThunderousDominator 279]

Back to my point. Do you have AK-47s in western temples as well, or do you carry them around in Europe, Canada or America? Probably not because you would probably get arrested faster than you could say your name.

From what I've read all the arms carried by sant ji and his followers were licensed by the indian government I will try to dig up the source also did you get a chance to read the short piece written by subramanian swamy I posted in another thread

[singh135 243]

No point arguing with Hindustani, his name says it all.

[Hindustani 23]

I have watched the video of Swamy talking about Bhindranwale. Do not know who to believe. I will admit that he was uncorruptable and stood by his words. But to succeed in politics it takes power and finesse.

[Hindustani 23]

we do not believe your document's we are not allowed to putt down weapons infront of our enemy until we are alive

if we do so we cannot face our Father Guru Gobind Singh ji

so knowing how sant ji were

i doubt he was ever taken alive

+ i have seen his post mortem report with 13 bullet marks

it denies your lie of documents circulating in army

I am not saying he surrendered or that there are documents. Just stories circulating widely in the Armed Forces. He did not surrender but was taken alive critically injured. We have seen two pictures the latest one shows a clear close range gunshot to the right temple. The army will not say how he died which also raises my suspicion.

Also, we can see Shahbegs picture and you can see what looks like rope or something around his upper arm shoulder on both sides. Like he was tied up or something.

We also have the issue of a famous journalist (forget his name) who says he was shown pictures of bhindranwale in army custody right after operation bluestar.

Smart people would use India's new Freedom of Information Act to get all documents related to this event.

Anycase, just my two cents.

[Hindustani 23]

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[ThunderousDominator 279]

I dont believe anybody said he never said it just that his words were being taken out of context I didnt watch the above video yet but is that the one were he explains exactly why he said what he said the explanation being he didnt say it out of gusa but to prove discrimination against sikhs: countless peacefully protesting sikhs can be killed and the government will do nothing but make a mere threat towards hindus and the government immediately takes action(proof of this is that not one single hindu was harmed in that hour) or is it just some badly edited attack video.Another thing conveniently ignored by indians is that sant ji helped any hindu who came to him for help I guess it doesnt fit in with the rabid hindu hater picture they try to paint of him

[Angrez 41]

Hindustani,

It's very unfortunate that you have chosen this forum to peddle the lies of the largest democracy in the world. Your views may have been supported 30 years ago. But after 30 years of false propaganda, the new generation are a lot wiser and have done the research. Slowly the truth is coming out and people can make up their own minds.

It's very cheap to provide little snippets of speeches of the greatest sikh of our time. Why don't you listen to complete speeches of Sant Ji and then see the context in which it was said. Please do your research and understand all the forces that were conspiring to make Panjab spiral into destruction. Read the many books written by retired police DGP's and intelligence staff to understand the covert war that was engineered by the congress government.

If you have 5 mins take a look at this article, written in a newspaper which you would probably say is credible. Oh and by the way the person in the article is a non sikh.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/defying-censorship-the-reporter-who-exposed-the-killings/article4798103.ece

Do me a favour and go and spew your half baked accusations on another forum. It's gets boring having to read this childish drivel