Does Akal Purakh Come In Human Forms Ever ?

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ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧

भैरउ महला ५ घरु १

Bẖairo mėhlā 5 gẖar 1

Bhairao, Fifth Mehl, First House:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥

Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸਗਲੀ ਥੀਤਿ ਪਾਸਿ ਡਾਰਿ ਰਾਖੀ ॥

सगली थीति पासि डारि राखी ॥

Saglī thīṯ pās dār rākẖī.

Setting aside all other days, it is said,

ਅਸਟਮ ਥੀਤਿ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਜਨਮਾ ਸੀ ॥੧॥

असटम थीति गोविंद जनमा सी ॥१॥

Astam thīṯ govinḏ janmā sī. ||1||

that the Lord was born on the eighth lunar day. ||1||

ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲੇ ਨਰ ਕਰਤ ਕਚਰਾਇਣ ॥

भरमि भूले नर करत कचराइण ॥

Bẖaram bẖūle nar karaṯ kacẖrā▫iṇ.

Deluded and confused by doubt, the mortal practices falsehood.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਤੇ ਰਹਤ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

जनम मरण ते रहत नाराइण ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Janam maraṇ ṯe rahaṯ nārā▫iṇ. ||1|| rahā▫o.

The Lord is beyond birth and death. ||1||Pause||

ਕਰਿ ਪੰਜੀਰੁ ਖਵਾਇਓ ਚੋਰ ॥

करि पंजीरु खवाइओ चोर ॥

Kar panjīr kẖavā▫i▫o cẖor.

You prepare sweet treats and feed them to your stone god.

ਓਹੁ ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਰੇ ਸਾਕਤ ਢੋਰ ॥੨॥

ओहु जनमि न मरै रे साकत ढोर ॥२॥

Oh janam na marai re sākaṯ dẖor. ||2||

God is not born, and He does not die, you foolish, faithless cynic! ||2||

ਸਗਲ ਪਰਾਧ ਦੇਹਿ ਲੋਰੋਨੀ ॥

सगल पराध देहि लोरोनी ॥

Sagal parāḏẖ ḏėh loronī.

You sing lullabies to your stone god - this is the source of all your mistakes.

ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥

सो मुखु जलउ जितु कहहि ठाकुरु जोनी ॥३॥

So mukẖ jala▫o jiṯ kahėh ṯẖākur jonī. ||3||

Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3||

ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

जनमि न मरै न आवै न जाइ ॥

Janam na marai na āvai na jā▫e.

He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥

नानक का प्रभु रहिओ समाइ ॥४॥१॥

Nānak kā parabẖ rahi▫o samā▫e. ||4||1||

The God of Nanak is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||4||1||

What does the sangat think ?

[sikhiseeker]

I personally think that parmaatma is in everything in creation, like the god particle. Parmaatma is the bases of all mass and everything else science has not yet understood. He is in the air, water, fire, stone, blood, flesh, flower, plant, tree, animal, human and other worldy beings, parmaatma is in all!

So on that basis, parmaatma cannot be born, as to be born you have to die, which parmaatma cannot die, therefore he exists simply in everything!

Wjkk Wjkf

Please correct me if I'm wrong sangat ji.

[UKLondonSikh]

ਭੈਰਉ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਘਰੁ ੧

भैरउ महला ५ घरु १

Bẖairo mėhlā 5 gẖar 1

Bhairao, Fifth Mehl, First House:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥

Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਸਗਲੀ ਥੀਤਿ ਪਾਸਿ ਡਾਰਿ ਰਾਖੀ ॥

सगली थीति पासि डारि राखी ॥

Saglī thīṯ pās dār rākẖī.

Setting aside all other days, it is said,

ਅਸਟਮ ਥੀਤਿ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਜਨਮਾ ਸੀ ॥੧॥

असटम थीति गोविंद जनमा सी ॥१॥

Astam thīṯ govinḏ janmā sī. ||1||

that the Lord was born on the eighth lunar day. ||1||

ਭਰਮਿ ਭੂਲੇ ਨਰ ਕਰਤ ਕਚਰਾਇਣ ॥

भरमि भूले नर करत कचराइण ॥

Bẖaram bẖūle nar karaṯ kacẖrā▫iṇ.

Deluded and confused by doubt, the mortal practices falsehood.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਤੇ ਰਹਤ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

जनम मरण ते रहत नाराइण ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Janam maraṇ ṯe rahaṯ nārā▫iṇ. ||1|| rahā▫o.

The Lord is beyond birth and death. ||1||Pause||

ਕਰਿ ਪੰਜੀਰੁ ਖਵਾਇਓ ਚੋਰ ॥

करि पंजीरु खवाइओ चोर ॥

Kar panjīr kẖavā▫i▫o cẖor.

You prepare sweet treats and feed them to your stone god.

ਓਹੁ ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਰੇ ਸਾਕਤ ਢੋਰ ॥੨॥

ओहु जनमि न मरै रे साकत ढोर ॥२॥

Oh janam na marai re sākaṯ dẖor. ||2||

God is not born, and He does not die, you foolish, faithless cynic! ||2||

ਸਗਲ ਪਰਾਧ ਦੇਹਿ ਲੋਰੋਨੀ ॥

सगल पराध देहि लोरोनी ॥

Sagal parāḏẖ ḏėh loronī.

You sing lullabies to your stone god - this is the source of all your mistakes.

ਸੋ ਮੁਖੁ ਜਲਉ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਹਹਿ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਜੋਨੀ ॥੩॥

सो मुखु जलउ जितु कहहि ठाकुरु जोनी ॥३॥

So mukẖ jala▫o jiṯ kahėh ṯẖākur jonī. ||3||

Let that mouth be burnt, which says that our Lord and Master is subject to birth. ||3||

ਜਨਮਿ ਨ ਮਰੈ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

जनमि न मरै न आवै न जाइ ॥

Janam na marai na āvai na jā▫e.

He is not born, and He does not die; He does not come and go in reincarnation.

ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਰਹਿਓ ਸਮਾਇ ॥੪॥੧॥

नानक का प्रभु रहिओ समाइ ॥४॥१॥

Nānak kā parabẖ rahi▫o samā▫e. ||4||1||

The God of Nanak is pervading and permeating everywhere. ||4||1||

What does the sangat think ?

Paji i think Gurmat and Gurbani and Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj are pretty clear cut and self-explanantory above in relation to whether we Sikhs should wrongly copy and wrongly believe in the false Avatar concept as the Hindu's and Christians believe or whether Sikh indeed ik vakhri Qaum ne with a different belief and philosophy.

[Hindustani]

God can do whatever he wants. If that means an avatar then its not out of the realm of possibility. By saying that he "could not" or "will not" is limiting his ability, and in essence saying that we know everything about him or her (want to be politically correct lol! )

Peace!

[ghettosikh]

God can do whatever he wants. If that means an avatar then its not out of the realm of possibility. By saying that he "could not" or "will not" is limiting his ability, and in essence saying that we know everything about him or her (want to be politically correct lol! )

Peace!

well worshipping avatars like the hindus is prohibitted in sikhism we do not belive god is in avatars or statues like hindus..

[singh598]

Good topic

Muslims criticise Sikhs because they beleive that Akaal Purakh never comes in human form but Gurbani states Guru Nanak were aap naarain kala taar jag me parvario.

Please help... the above shabad says God is all pervading divinity yet paradoxically Gurbani says something else.

How can i convince my muslim friends that Akaal purakh does come on earth and that his Brahmgiani saints are infact God in human form

[GPS]

The title of the topic and the shabad presented do not go hand in hand.

If Gurbani does not sound sweet to you. Then go make your own Bani that says God does not ever come in human form. Go start your own religion and don't push your baseless thinking on Sikhs.

I wouldn't mind explaining it here, but it is obvious this person has made up his mind and is on a mission to spread his limited thinking.

You said it right.

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