I Handle Meat Daily, But Don't Eat It... Can I Take Amrit?

[Guest Mr. Gupt]

WJKK WJKF

I have a few pets that I feed meat daily to, they require it to live. Will that be a problem? I don't eat meat or eggs myself.

[Guest Singha]

Yes Virji. that is your kirt like what guru Nanak deh Ji said " dasa noo de kirt" you not eating it or anything your working with it. It's ok that's your honest kirt

[sikhiseeker]

WJKK WJKF,

Many sikhs have an outright no to the consumption of meat in regards to a sikhs diet as does sikhsangat.com aswell. This topic maybe locked due to that reason. However, the notion of being meat and egg free is not all what makes up a sikh and being vegetarian alone will not gain you mukhti. There are many contributing factors which will gain you mukhti, if one decides to take amrit, are you willing to battle the fires of kaam, krodh, mo, lobh and hankar until the day you die? Also any affiliation with your caste? Are you ready to train to use your guru given kirpan?

You have questioned whether by feeding met to your pets with somehow invalidate your amrit sanchar, yet when you sit and sing the praises of waheguru in a gurdwara, as I have stated in many posts, you will pluck the stings of an musical instrument made from an animal product also whilst beating the skin of a dead goat on a tabla! If your view is as the above stated, have you considered your use io such things which use animal by products like leather?

Waheguru is within everything, the sikhs goal is not to make a meat and egg free society, however to serve justice, live honestly and gain mukhti by service and equality of all,

WJKK WJKF

[harsharan000]

Though brother Sikhseeker has given a very good reply above, we could say that while living in this world we have to deal with several situations in which we may find ourselves, whether willingly or not so...so it is better to draw a line at some point.

Sikhseeker has mentioned the strings of a musical instrument, or the skin on the tabla, the same could be said about our shoes, belts, etc....as being made of animal origin, where their lives have been sacrified...

But surely, if one feeds animals with meat or non veg, you are carrying upon yourself, unnecessary karmas on your head.

Poor animals do not ask you to do so. Let us forget or not speak for a moment of those who do not believe in these things, but if oneself understands what eating meat implies, how can we feed others with it?

Though they maybe animals.

Or is it that this law of karmas, is for mankind only?

No no no, it is the same for all creatures, from a microbe to the gods ....none can escape its tentacles. Though it is more strict for humans, as they have sense of discrimination which is known as "budh".

Animals act upon their instincts, so they have no choice, as nature has made them so.

It is we humans, who have this budh and intellect also, beacuse in comparison to all other creatures below us, it is we alone that have all the five tattawas active in us.

As we know the whole creation is made of five elements or tattwas: air, water, fire, earth and ether or akash.

All the creatures, living beings, make the wheel of eighty four, " chaurasi ka chakar".
The lowest forms of creation in this world is the vegetable kingdom, in which only one element is active, which is water.
The second category is of the insects: in them only 2 elements are active, which are: fire and air.
The 3rd category belongs to the bird kingdom, in them only 3 elements are active: water, fire and air.
The 4th category belongs to the mammals or four legged animals, in them except ether or akash is dormant, the rest 4
are active.
In the 5th category comes the human being, in him all the 5 elements are active, that is what distinguishes him from the rest of the creation, the element akash, gives him the reasoning faculty, known also as "budh" along with intelligence.

Now this was a short and a quick description of the physical creation.

Lets now take the following example to ilustrate the topic being disscused above:
Let us imagine, seeing someone pluking a flower from somebody´s garden, the owner sees him and give him a good scolding.

2nd case, somone kills the dog of this same fellow, the case can be reported to the police and the infractor can be fined.

After some time, somone kills this man´s horse, this time the infractor can be jailed.

After sometime again, some dacoit enters this man´s house and kills the house owner, this time the dacoit can be hanged, for his crime.

So as we can see, for each infraction there has been a punishment, according to the degree of of the infraction commited.

The punishment depends on the degree of the level of conciousness present in that particular form of life, consequently depends on the degree of the tattwas present or active in that form of life.

We can not live in this creation without creating karma; and so, if we have to create karma by force, let us create or collect the least amount of it; that is why it is recomended by the Saints to live on the vegetarian diet, by doing that, we collect the minnimum karma on our heads.

The kiling in this creation is done on each step, and is unavoidable, but by going for a vegetarian diet, killing is done to a lower level of conciousness.

It is easier, to walk wearing a shirt, than to have 100 pounds of weight on our heads. In the same way, anybody who wants to walk on the path of devotion , on the path of ruhaniyat, of spirituality, will by himself see, this need to be put into practice, not otherwise.

We have millions of people in this world, 99.99 % are not vegetarians , but they are still going. So it is the conscious aim, which makes one decide in this way.

Most hindus think, the cows are sacred, so they do not eat meat of the cow, they are only cheating themselves. Others think monday is a holy day for it is Shiva´s day´, or today is Satya Narayan (full moon) so today we should not eat meat.

Poor world, covered by maya and agyanta.

Anything we do, we must see some logic behind it, and not walk blindly, just because we may be born in some particular caste, creed or religion.

If meat eating is poison for oneself, how can it not be poison for others? There is no logic in it. What is the need to have animals, so to say that we have to feed them by incurring in heavy karmas upon ourselves, that also when, already we have countless tons of them on us...

Each one has a free will to lead his own life, nobody should be forced on anything....just as Wahiguru does with us.

He says, though you are my very own children, but I entirely leave your will on you, I shall never force you...it is you who go astray by your misbehaviour, or you can walk straight and reach me, it is fully your choice.

We also have to learn this from Wahiguru, to respect each and everybody... we may give an advice, but leave it then, there is nothing personal in it, each and every one has to tread responsibily his/her own way.

If Wahiguru being omnipotent, all powerful does not forces or imposes anything on anybody, who are we then to do the contrary then?

Wahiguru Jee.

[savinderpalsingh]

WaheguruJiKaKhalsa!!WaheguruJiKiFateh!!

inshort not its not bad you can keep doing your job

[sikhiseeker]

Though brother Sikhseeker has given a very good reply above, we could say that while living in this world we have to deal with several situations in which we may find ourselves, whether willingly or not so...so it is better to draw a line at some point.

.......

Wahiguru Jee.

WJKK WJKF,

Very nice and accurate post. I understand the point you are making. In my opinion and what I understand, (maybe I'm wrong) sikhi is made of two components, Bhagti and shakti- for a khalsa, both components need understanding and growth. Many sikhs today have done much to grow and increase their Bhagti, but many only wear the kirpaan as a symbol.

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WJKK WJKF

Mod Note: Refrain from going too deep in whether meat is right or wrong.

WJKK WJKF

If only moderators would step in when people justify caste also, would be much more commendable.

[neemaana]

WJKK WJKF

I have a few pets that I feed meat daily to, they require it to live. Will that be a problem? I don't eat meat or eggs myself.

[neemaana]

Singh

What do you think Guru Ji's baaj use to eat? What is tabla made up off? How about chowar sahib?