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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Will get right on it once there are a couple of SGPC sevadaars dispatched to my house to help the wife and I to manage and help raise them...

good advise by the Akal Takht. He should have also talked about female infanticide since so many children are being murdered in the womb by their own mothers and fathers. The impotent and barren way o

Anandpur Sahib, Punjab (March 17, 2014): In a move that would surprise many, Giani Gurbachan Singh, the jathedar of Akal Takht Sahib appealed to Sikh couples to have four children. Giani Gurbachan Si

Here is food of thought, why don't gursikh couples get close to destination main aim for sikh then after have as many kids as possible....hell you can knock yourself out have full gatka team and on top of it can even open gursikh sperm donor shop if you like and have assembly line type concept make babies like hot cakes..!!

Get real jathedar sahib ..!!..he should be more concerned about quality and all these other tribal problems over quantity..!!

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
Oh I don't know...
A) 1 AM waking/feeding/diapering child #2.
B) 3-4 AM milk demands of child #1.
C) Managing kids for at least 3-4 hours of the day while meals are prepared.
D) Managing kids while parents actually get sleep, not night naps for a few hours. It has been years since either of us managed 8 hours of sleep at night or anything close.
E) As needed assistance with illness - that affects the entire family.
F) Babysitting while parents actually get 2-3 hours per week to do luxury things like grocery shopping, car repairs and ironing clothes. We are not husband and wife to each other, we are mother and father to our kids.
​G) Doing above and maintaining an Amritvela, doing Simran, Paath, seva, attending Gurudwara divans - you know, BEING a Gursikh.
H) Many MANY more things...
Yes, I am sure I am a weak person who is not the Superdad and my wife is not Supermom, but we are two average parents trying to raise our kids. Funny how other Gursikhs in the area are facing the same challenges we are as parents, so we know we aren't the only ones. A few who have one have already commented that when they see us, they are scared away from having two - quite the handful they are.
I have respect for the Akaal Takht Sahib and the Jathedar of the Akaal Takht Sahib - but making these proclamations have implications to those who take them seriously. The fact that Jathedar Sahib is sending out advisories that each family produce 4 kids is not realistic. Not everyone lives in a pind from the 1940s - people live in cities and there is not a support structure to maintain 4 kids for all people. Yeah, my grandmother had 11 kids - I also know she had a heck of a lot more family around her to assist with raising them. Not everyone lives with or has elders that help with kids. Money is a thing - anyone actually seen what it takes to fund a child through higher education? Physical capacity is a thing - not every person is Supermom-Superdad and has the capability of having 4 or more kids. The Sandesh puts me in a position to either not comply with it or to comply and basically ruin my life. This is not a situation that any person should be placed in.
Does anyone realize the sheer energy and willpower to raise a child by parents? If any of you don't have children, sorry, you don't have a realistic understanding of what it takes. Ask those who do - half of the parents who actually make an effort to raise their kids right are out of their minds to make sure that their kids turn out right. It is absolutely correct to assert that the focus should be on the current youth that is suffering without any guidance.
To make this a mandate for every Gursikh in the Panth is not in the realm of rational thought. I hope that this Sandesh gets publicized so the details can be reviewed to see if this is in the form of a plea or a mandate - if it is a mandate, it will make a mockery of the Jathedar position of the Akaal Takht Sahib because hardly any Sikh will give it any serious thought or consideration.
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The aim is to have 4 kids not to have 4 kids in 4 years. If you leave a few years between each kid then by the time one has started nursery, the other one is still a baby and so on. Complying with the edict won't be possible for those westernised Sikhs who have moved out of the parents home as soon as they have got married. It takes the whole family. the parents. the grandparents, the uncles and aunts to raise kids.

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Though I don't really like that way this issue was raised by jatehdar sahib for religious reasons but I do understand the importance of reasoning behind this and I totally support this only for social reasons. For ex: we really really really need high numbers when it comes in political field and to get stuff out of government. If we don't have good numbers then nobody will care about our haq/issues etc.

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Baba Nand Singh Nanaksar died in 1943 predicted partition 1947 and told his followers in one village in pakistan to make a fort with iron doors that will come in use later. Even though it was expensive to build and some doubted him. They build it anyway.During 1947 the whole village went in the fort and not a single person was killed and then all made it safely across. This is just one example added to the one above. He is an institution in itself with utmost Bhakti Of Guru Nanak and Guru Granth Sahib.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH
Oh I don't know...
A) 1 AM waking/feeding/diapering child #2.
B) 3-4 AM milk demands of child #1.
C) Managing kids for at least 3-4 hours of the day while meals are prepared.
D) Managing kids while parents actually get sleep, not night naps for a few hours. It has been years since either of us managed 8 hours of sleep at night or anything close.
E) As needed assistance with illness - that affects the entire family.
F) Babysitting while parents actually get 2-3 hours per week to do luxury things like grocery shopping, car repairs and ironing clothes. We are not husband and wife to each other, we are mother and father to our kids.
​G) Doing above and maintaining an Amritvela, doing Simran, Paath, seva, attending Gurudwara divans - you know, BEING a Gursikh.
H) Many MANY more things...
Yes, I am sure I am a weak person who is not the Superdad and my wife is not Supermom, but we are two average parents trying to raise our kids. Funny how other Gursikhs in the area are facing the same challenges we are as parents, so we know we aren't the only ones. A few who have one have already commented that when they see us, they are scared away from having two - quite the handful they are.

Ok, so how are you different from any other parents? And how are you different from the previous generations before you?

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well I would just say Instead of Giving some nice message or Trying to improve the situation of sikhs today..this Singh sahib has made a nice joke...

It will be a nice joke on us when our people end up like the parsis in the future who cannot find the courage to improve their fertility rate despite the pleas of their leaders and even government incentives. For a minority having this western mindset of seeing kids as burden is suicidal. Improving the demographics is part of the solution not part of the problem.

And no one is saying 4 kids is a must. But surely 3 kids are manageable in India and in the west. I know plenty of families who have 3 kids, I even know of some who have four and they are managing just fine. Point of this advise is to encourage our people to help improve our demographic situation because our people are such a small minority, we are a mere drop in the demographic ocean.

In addition to improving fertility rate other measure can be taken to improve demographics like not doing female infanticide. In Punjab a very bad trend is that if your first born is a boy, then the parents do a full stop right there because they don't want to risk having a girl as a second child. Such Anti female child mentality should be discouraged because a child is a blessing from God to the parents whether it is a boy or girl. Parchar should also be done to make Sikhs more observant of Sikhi plus doing parchar to non Sikhs.

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If family support is available and finances are not so tight, agree more kids the better. Ideally, one should get married straight after Uni and have kids within 3-5 years. This video is an eye opener and worrying if the figures shown are accurate:

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