Any Information? - Someone Stating That Damdami Bir Sahib Found?

[Bijla Singh]

Bhai Sahib, I am always reluctant to post on such topics because Sikhs are not mentally and spiritually equipped to deal with such subjects. Every jatha and group picks their best guy and elevates him to God’s perfection where he is never wrong and disagreement with him is seen as belittling and insulting him. This is why no matter how genuine the saroop may be, Sikhs will think of mool mantar and Raag Maala and call it authentic/unauthentic based on this alone. Instead of changing their own beliefs they will blame the saroop. They pay no attention to correcting printing errors in saroops or correcting the position of the mangals or looking at other subjects. All they care about is first paragraph and the last Ang like there exists nothing else in between. Very few Sikhs are genuinely interested in finding original saroops shedding their own beliefs and bias.

Regarding original Damdami Bir Sahib – The picture posted is not from the original Bir. I believe the Bir was not lost during the great holocaust because only Giani Gian Singh introduced this theory without any evidence. This not new information. Most Sikhs just don't know about it. Prin. Harbhajan Singh, Giani Garja Singh and others have done research in this matter and they believed the original Bir still exists. We have seen original saroops being tampered with by Sikhs during Raag Maala debate and I do not wish the fate of Damdami Bir to be the same. We need to learn to be united despite our differences and only then can we make any progress.

[BritishSingh]

If you look at the highlighted lines in black you will notice that where it is written in current swaroops:

Sochai Soche Na Hovei

In this swaroop it is written"

Sochai Soche Ne Hovei.

There is a sihari on the N.

This looks to be a fake because Ne doesn't make sense unless I am mistaken and Ne means something which I am unaware of.

[DSGj]

ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਸ੍ਵਾਮੀ ਨੇ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਦੇ ਮਕ਼ਾਮ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੭੬੨- ੬੩ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੋ ਆਤਮਿਕ ਸ਼ਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਕੰਠ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਣੀ ਉੱਚਾਰਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਲਿਖਵਾਇਆ, ਉਸ ਦਾ ਨਾਉਂ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦਾ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੋਇਆ, ਪਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਨਾਉਂ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਬੀੜ ਹੈ. ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ ਸਮੇਤ ੩੧ ਰਾਗ ਹਨ, ਅਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਸਲੋਕ ਪੌੜੀ ਆਦਿ ਦੀ ਜਪੁ ਤੋਂ ਲੈ ਕੇ ਮੁੰਦਾਵਣੀ ਤੀਕ ਗਿਣੀ ੫੮੬੭ ਹੈ.#ਇਸ ਵਿੱਚ- "ਸੋਪੁਰਖੁ"- ਸਿਰਲੇਖ ਹੇਠ ਚਾਰ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਹਨ ਅਰ ੧੧੫ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਸਲੋਕ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਗਬਹਾਦੁਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੇ, ਅਤੇ ਇੱਕ ਸਲੋਕ "ਬਲ ਹੋਆ ਬੰਧਨ ਛੁਟੇ"- ਦਸ਼ਮੇਸ਼ ਦਾ ਹੈ. ਕਈ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ ਕਿ ਸੋਰਠਿ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਦੀ ਤੁਕ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ "ਖਲਾਸੇ" ਪਾਠ ਵਾਲੀ ਸੀ, ਕਲਗੀਧਰ ਨੇ "ਖਾਲਸੇ" ਸ਼ਬਦ ਬਦਲਿਆ ਹੈ, ਪਰ ਇਹ ਭੁੱਲ ਹੈ. ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਦਾ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਹੀ ਪਾਠ "ਖਾਲਸੇ" ਹੈ. ਇਹ ਦਮਦਮੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਿਲਦ ਸੰਮਤ ੧੮੧੮ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੁੱਪਰਹੀੜੇ ਦੇ ਜੰਗ "ਵਡੇ ਘੱਲੂਘਾਰੇ" ਵਿੱਚ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਦਲ ਦੇ ਹੱਥੋਂ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਰਹੀ, ਪਰ ਇਸ ਤੋਂ ਪਹਿਲਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਕਾਪੀਆਂ ਹੋ ਚੁੱਕੀਆਂ ਸਨ.

The one in the picture is not Damdami Bir, it has a mistake in the first few lines (as pointed out by BritishSingh), like come on!

Also, it's fancy decorations do not fit with the time period.

At best it could be a 'copy', even that is doubtful.

In this case, more focus was done on the decorations compared to attention of correct spelling.

[N30S1NGH]

More info on this bir, please see video below:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10203252504690682&set=vb.1151146618&type=2&theater

[DSGj]

guruvah

Re: Damdami Bir - found?

March 24, 2014 12:14PM

1.We need to get the defination of 'puratan' right.The saroop in the picture looks & old consistent with how saroops were written during the Sikh raaj(elaborate design+gold ink). Not from Guru Gobind Singh jees time till (1760's ++) as saroops just had lines on the left and right and Gurbani written in between.

2.Bogus claim in punjab is something very common.

3. From the article it seems claim by sant samaj minded people and personally I never take them seriously.

doctorsingh

Re: Damdami Bir - found?

March 25, 2014 09:07AM

This Bir is may Damdami bir or Khari bir. but not that Bir which is written by Bhai Mani singh ji and Baba Deep Singh ji.

Its just 120-130 years old.

The work of gold on the first page. it must be sponsored by a rich Sikh. (coz of athaa shardaah)

[guruvah]

Bhai Sahib, I am always reluctant to post on such topics because Sikhs are not mentally and spiritually equipped to deal with such subjects.

What you have said is very accurate .....

one just needs to scroll back to previous post on this thread to see the evidence 'plaguing' this forum for the past decade.

[DSGj]

What you have said is very accurate .....

one just needs to scroll back to previous post on this thread to see the evidence 'plaguing' this forum for the past decade.

What did I do/say? :s

[guruvah]

What did I do/say? :s

Not you at all :biggrin2:

[DSGj]

Not you at all :biggrin2:

Achaa Jee! :laugh2:

[guruvah]