Khalsa Raj Vs Khalistan- Good Article

[WaljinderSingh]

"Koi Kisi ko Raaj Na dey hai,

Jo Lai hai nij bal sey lai hai."

- Guru Gobind Singh ji

Khalsa Raj will come with the help of Shaheed Singhs and BrahmGyani Mahapursh.

Western nations have biased standards when it comes to stand by the Sikhs.

Sikhs live with freedom of expression and faith because that's guaranteed in their law.

I can assure you they will never want to give any power to the Sikhs because when they do, they know their power will be gone.

Guru Gobind Singh ji gave the Kingship to the Khalsa.

Guru will grant the rule of the planet to the Khalsa - Its the destiny because of our Sacrifices

[DSGj]

I am sure he is in its own right. I am sure he is in sachkhand too but gurbani mahavaks stands too, we are all under mistakes while we are living:

bhullan andar sab ko, abhul guru kartar ||

Sat-Bachan Jee, as long as we apply this principle to everyone (no ifs ands or buts).

Not really, i see placing flag representing constitution of the country which is for most part enforced/followed in UK.

The constitution of the country is only one aspect of a country. A flag represents everything about the country, not just the constitution.

The constitution is all just talk/writing, what really matters is the actions.

Look at Indian Authorities and Agencies and Police and Politicians and people with money/power....how much of the constitution do they follow? Not very much.

[N30S1NGH]

ok 2nd set of questions just came via stream of thoughts while i wait for draft for constitution..please feel free to add long ..i am hoping this thread to be question and answer repository:

Please explain why if yes or no:

1. Would khalistan support death penalty? or life in imprisonment?

2. Would khalistan support abortion (due to rape cases)?

3. Would khalistan support rehablitation/redemption programs for worst criminals- child molesters, rapist, killers, murders, war criminals?

4. Would khalistan support america type of captlism type model? or cuba? socialism? or canada bit of both?

5. Would khalistan support free health care?

6. Would khalistan support unionized type of work?

7. Would khalistan western style investment, stocks type of plays?

Social/life style:

1 Would khalistan support local kids having outdoor dating boyfreind and girlfreind- kids trying to find a match? or it would strictly controlled by khalsa police?

2. Would khalistan support chill out place? like playdium-gaming arenas, light clubbing (no drinks)

3. Would khalistan support cinemas/theatres? hollywood movies? bollywood movies?

Sports

1. Would khalistan support open swimming for girls in pools?

2. Would khalistan support tennis with shorts?

Misc.

1. Would khalistan supports all sorts of movement within peta, environmentalist, feminist, gun movements etc?

2. How will be police and miltary structure in khalistan? would policing will be given to all and expecting 3rd party non authorized sikhs policing streets?

[WaljinderSingh]

ok 2nd set of questions just came via stream of thoughts while i wait for draft for constitution..please feel free to add long ..i am hoping this thread to be question and answer repository:

Please explain why if yes or no:

1. Would khalistan support death penalty? or life in imprisonment?

2. Would khalistan support abortion (due to rape cases)?

3. Would khalistan support rehablitation/redemption programs for worst criminals- child molesters, rapist, killers, murders, war criminals?

4. Would khalistan support america type of captlism type model? or cuba? socialism? or canada bit of both?

5. Would khalistan support free health care?

6. Would khalistan support unionized type of work?

Social/life style:

1 Would khalistan support local kids having outdoor dating boyfreind and girlfreind? or it would strictly controlled by khalsa police?

2. Would khalistan support chill out place? like playdium-gaming arenas, light clubbing (no drinks)

3. Would khalistan support cinemas/theatres? hollywood movies? bollywood movies?

Sports

1. Would khalistan support open swimming for girls in pools?

2. Would khalistan support tennis with shorts?

Misc.

1. Would khalistan supports all sorts of movement within peta, environmentalist, feminist, gun movements etc?

Veer, I dont understand why do you want to discuss this...

I am pretty sure when the time is right, this all will be solved by the will of the people and according to Gurmat.

Edit : Regardin Death sentence, didn't Raja Janak (BrahmGyani) order death sentences to hardcore criminals in SatYug?

[N30S1NGH]

Bro, this is not for debate just discussing with fellow sikhs- discussion see what cyber sangat think about these questions, where they stand and general awareness whole framework of khalistan.

Edit : Regardin Death sentence, didn't Raja Janak (BrahmGyani) order death sentences to hardcore criminals in SatYug?

And why should that be set precedence for sikhs in khalistan? Even hindus don't follow that example besides bhramgyani ki gat bhramgyani janai ||

[WaljinderSingh]

1. Bro, this is not for debate just discussing with fellow sikhs- discussion see what cyber sangat think about these questions, where they stand.

2. And why should that be set precedence for sikhs in khalistan?

1. Good luck then.

2. Justice System should not be harsh nor be lenient.

For harsh crime, one deserves harsh punishment as proves from all these ages a 'deterrent'.

But don't expect to cut the hands who have been involved in theft or provide blood money to the relatives.

[N30S1NGH]

2. Justice System should not be harsh nor be lenient.

For harsh crime, one deserves harsh punishment as proves from all these ages a 'deterrent'.

Tottally agreed bro, in my view for harsh crimes (rapes, murders) solitary confinement for 20 years leading to rehabiltation and redemption programs.

[acsap]

These questions don't make any sense. Nothing is static, things change, even in the US where constitution is very hard to change there have been many amendments. Homosexuality is still illegal in many states. Similarly, I am sure things will change in Khalistan, but you want us to have all the answers today. I am sure Khalistan like any other democratic country will have some political parties that are more liberal than other and vice versa (and people will elect who they like) We know from experience that Khalsa raj of maharaja Ranjit Singh was better than most countries even now.

People will be able to do most of the things that they are able to do now in Punjab, only difference will that Sikhs will not be treated like second class citizens or killed.

[N30S1NGH]

We know from experience that Khalsa raj of maharaja Ranjit Singh was better than most countries even now.

I have been trying to search for authentic legal framework document from maharaja ranjit singh time, if we can locate that, it will address many questions. One gursikh gave me reference book to study that, i put in the notes now i can't find it.

Also did anyone have read original most puratan prem sumarag granth? It's most progressive social-economic granth , i m sure lot of legal framework questions can be answered from there too.

[Bijla Singh]

I do not wish to drag it on since Khalistan is not here yet so we cannot guarantee anything in regards to political and economic policies. What I can say is that when true Khalsa establish Khalsa rule in Khalistan, all the issues will be dealt with based on Gurmat ideals.

When I say we cannot flourish without a rule, I refer to economic, social and political flourishment specifically. At individual level, no one is stopping us from reaching brahmgyan but without our own rule, religious condition of the entire Panth may not see any stability since anti-Sikhi groups, RSS, dehdharis etc. will always be giving us troubles. These groups will not flourish without State funding and in Khalistan no one will be funding them. Even in India, some will die after Khalistan is created. A central Sikh body is required to address community wide issues and we will not be completely united until then. Religious controversies can only be resolved in Gurmattas which is nearly impossible to conduct let alone organize without a Sikh rule because non-Sikh governments and groups will have free hands in infiltrating and causing issues. A Sikh government can establish a Naam University where spiritual seekers come to resolve their spiritual issues and any problems they face in their respective avasthas. Sikh religion can only go up in a Sikh rule governed by Gurmat.

Western countries represent us as Americans, Canadians etc. but not a single country represents us as Sikhs. While Western countries are very accommodating, they cannot represent Sikhs.

1. Would khalistan support death penalty? or life in imprisonment?

No guarantee on political structure of Khalistan. We cannot predict future. For some grave crimes, it should be given.

2. Would khalistan support abortion (due to rape cases)?

Again, it is in the hands of a government. My personal opinion is that a child should not be punished to death. Punish the rapist not the innocent child. The mother can be financially supported by the government and the child can be given in adoption if she doesn’t wish to keep it.

3. Would khalistan support rehablitation/redemption programs for worst criminals- child molesters, rapist, killers, murders, war criminals?

It depends on the person. If a killer doesn’t change his habits then why spend money on him and force him to change? If a person wants to change, that’s a different case.

4. Would khalistan support america type of captlism type model? or cuba? socialism? or canada bit of both?

How about good elements of all? Our intent should be to have prosperity of all. With principle of Vand Chakna, I think we can beat all other systems.

5. Would khalistan support free health care?

I find it hilarious. Tell me the population of Khalistan, GDP and health care budget and I might give the answer. Sick people can go to Darbar Sahib and do Naam Simran in the sangat of Sikhs, they wouldn’t need any health insurance after that.

6. Would khalistan support unionized type of work?

Who knows.

7. Would khalistan western style investment, stocks type of plays?

Why not. Stocks, bonds etc.

Social/life style:

1 Would khalistan support local kids having outdoor dating boyfreind and girlfreind- kids trying to find a match? or it would strictly controlled by khalsa police?

There won’t be any police to strict dating. Schools, educational programs, Gurmat oriented camps and programs will ensure that our children don’t fall prey to such practices.

2. Would khalistan support chill out place? like playdium-gaming arenas, light clubbing (no drinks)

No casinos, drinking bars, pubs etc. I say no drugs, tobacco and alcohol within the borders of Punjab especially. Educate the public about the harms.

3. Would khalistan support cinemas/theatres? hollywood movies? bollywood movies?

Maybe. I can’t predict the future but I doubt these industries will find much audience in Khalistan.

Sports

1. Would khalistan support open swimming for girls in pools?

For children it should be fine but for adults there should be separate pools just like we have reserved places for sarovars.

2. Would khalistan support tennis with shorts?

What’s wrong with appropriate length shorts?

Misc.

1. Would khalistan supports all sorts of movement within peta, environmentalist, feminist, gun movements etc?

Who is planning to start these?

2. How will be police and miltary structure in khalistan? would policing will be given to all and expecting 3rd party non authorized sikhs policing streets?

This question is not clear. Central government will control military and all its branches while police will be local at state level. Each city will control its own police. Non-Sikhs can be part of police and military.

These are all my personal opinions and I do not know enough about all subject matters. A constitution is written after a country is established. No point in writing it before that. You can read Gurbani and study Sikh history to learn about some of the rules, laws and policies.