Why It Is Adviced By Gurmukhs To Keep Dhyan Not At Forehead For Ghristis?

[Sat1176]

Simran345, who are we morraks to tell you what is right and what is wrong. There are countless techniques out there on how to meditate and the one you describe is one of them. if it works for you then who are we to stop you.

[simran345]

No paji u are not mooraks, u have vast amount of knowledge, which is interesting to others, like me who knows nothing. I never knew bhagti was so deep and different levels of it. As long as one remembers god, better than nothing I guess, I guess I should not worry about wat right or wrong way n try to do as I can.

Thankuji for the advise.

[harsharan000]

The forehead area, is the spiritual door to enter the spiritual realms.

That is why it is known as teesra til or third eye, single eye, or daswan dwar, the "tenth door". The path leading towards Him starts from this point. This is in a way, a spiritual door, towards spiritual dimensions, towards higher consciousnesses.

Once one enters there, one leaves temporary the physicall plane, which is perceived by us through our 5 karma indriyas and the 5 gyan indriyas. But there in the spiritual realms, in the first two regions or planes, which are in the following order: astral plane, and then the causal plane, these 2 planes are travelled by the mind and the soul together, but after that plane, with the help Shabad Guru alone, one crosses that last barrier of mind and Kal, and reach Paarbraham...and under proper guidance of that Shabad Guru, one reaches Sach Khand, not otherwise ....

So you see, in order to achieve all this mentioned above, one has to start walking first to reach that door, and then enter through it bravely, this is the real job of a sikh, to become one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh

[harsharan000]

ਕਹਾ ਭਯੋ ਜੋ ਦੋਉ ਲੋਚਨ ਮੂੰਦ ਕੈ ਬੈਠਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਬਕ ਧਿਆਨ ਲਗਾਇਓ ॥

Kahaa Bhayo Jo Doau Lochana Mooanda Kai Baitthi Rahiaoa Baka Dhiaana Lagaaeiaoa ॥

कहा भयो जो दोउ लोचन मूंद कै बैठि रहिओ बक धिआन लगाइओ ॥

Of what use it is if one sits and meditates like a crane with his eyes closed.

12 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੪੧ ਪੰ. ੧੨

Source - Nitnem Bani (Tva prasad svaiye)

http://searchgurbani.com/scriptures/ds_page/41/line/12

Brother,

the moorakhs, try to imitate the learned ones. One who has no knowledge, or is a gawaar, does not know to read or write, even if he takes a book, and try to show he is reading...what can he get from it?

Nothing.

He is fooloing himself, and then too, as he can not understand what is written in it due to his moorakhta, he says, what use is sitting to read a book....foolishness has no limits.

We must bear in mind, that one when sits in meditation to do His bandagee, and with closed eyes we see only darkness, that is nothing but the darkness of our very own karmas....and then too most of us, we are so stupid, that we do not know, that we have a mind also, which starts runnig outside, as it is used to do always, as it has no interest letting the soul know or do anything to return to its origin: Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

The result is, that those who know what they are doing, they keep on knocking at His door for His grace(that is sitting in meditation with faith and love for Him) because if ever anything is to be achieved, it is from that door.....

While the moorakhs, the maanmukhs, give up easily and say why to sit like cranes..... stupid people!

On the contrary, our Guru Sahibans emphasize to do this jugtee only, for realizing Him. Following are the words of Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj:

Sathigur Kaa Sach Sabadh Kamaavahu

Meditate on the true Shabad, from Satguru

Thhir Ghar Baithae, Prabh Apanaa Paavahu

Remain steady and stable within the home of your own self, and find God

Raag Asa, Guru Arjan Dev Maharaj.

[BarinderSingh]

Gurbani, your Guru says keep your dyaan(focus) on the Shabad. People that say focus on these body points are misguided.

[N30S1NGH]

Gurbani, your Guru says keep your dyaan(focus) on the Shabad. People that say focus on these body points are misguided.

There are valid different techniques to still the mind in shabad-sas gras/swas swas/concentrating on third eye with shabad-reference points (meant to use as aids to transcedent)/ incorporated with shabad mentioned in gurbani based on stages, not misguidance- only who thinks of sikh spiritual path as black and white is misguided. I actually follow the way you mentioned- dhian on shabad its simpler but that does not mean other techniques are false if thats a case you will not find many references about them in gurbani. Sat veer ji can provide examples.

[luckysingh99]

Gurbani, your Guru says keep your dyaan(focus) on the Shabad. People that say focus on these body points are misguided.

The idea is to make the Mind SIT INSIDE the body and then to get 'antar ghat'

Our mind is too easily outside the body and always putting the dhyian outside. By using body points, you can train your Mind to stay put inside at that point but be LISTENING to the shabad at same time.

The biggest obstacles for the Mind are Thoughts, and by making the mind SIT in one place is the biggest help in the direction to get rid of these thoughts.

[BarinderSingh]

The focus is on the shabad with the mind and body. If listening to a shabad then focus on what is being said. If reading gurbani then focus on what is being said. If mind is wandering while rreading gurbani then keep repeating the same until minds stops wandering. ALso understanding more of why we are here helps the mind wander less. These are the instructions given by the Gurus. If doing simran then focus on the shabad that is being said repeatedly.

Focusing at the third eye point or other body parts is made up info by people of the past. Its there own failed attempts at trying to realise where they come from. All of a sudden they feel something and they think its a virtue. I am not stopping anyone from doing it. But shinning a light on this false practice.

[BarinderSingh]

Focusing on the third eye point or other body parts drags a person deeper into maya. Focusing on the shabad brings a person out of ignorance.

The shabad liberates people. These old people wanted to keep the people ignorant so they gave these instructions. A persons intellect does not increase and is dragged further into darkness where these old people that teach this garbage can exploit the common people in different ways.

[N30S1NGH]

Focusing on the third eye point or other body parts drags a person deeper into maya. Focusing on the shabad brings a person out of ignorance.

The shabad liberates people. These old people wanted to keep the people ignorant so they gave these instructions. A persons intellect does not increase and is dragged further into darkness where these old people that teach this garbage can exploit the common people in different ways.

If its done correctly with shabad/bairaag as mentioned in sant jvala singh harkhowal jevan kirnaie, sant isher singhji rara sahib divans, sant waryam singh ji divan atam marg etc it should not effect but then again everything is maya test in spirituality, its not so much fault of reference point which meant to be used as aid(if you wish to avoid as a caution its fine but do remember maya test will be there in different form)..real issue is individual perception surrounding it, for example- if you read sant isher singh ji rara sahib jevani, all the ridhia sidhia stood infront of him after agaya chakra(trikurti) opened up at very early age at this level, but bairaag was too much to milap with vahiguroo that they didn't pay any attention to their pleading.

Anyway enough of talk, we can talk about conceptual stuff all day long but we cannot do it practically and relate to our experience, its all waste.