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Vaheguroo.

Some very interesting replies.

Barinder Singh - I drive a nice eco friendly car that doesn't create alot of pollution - thanks for asking. I see where you are coming from. I try to grow my own fruit when I can and like to go picking apples and stuff. I'm really just trying to do as least damage to everyone as possible lol.

Questioner - I totally agree that Guroo Sahib would probably want everyone to be vegan now. If I take degh isn't that being a part time vegan? I know Gursikhs that use vegan products and replacements in Degh - the taste is immense. But nowadays it's just random people at the Gurdwara who dont read Bani when making Degh - so is it really that bad if I don't take it? I've got far worse things to worry about in my jeevan rather than not taking a piece of degh.

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Waheguru ji, Cant say no go degh. Who is ardaas and bhog done by/in front of? I know intentions are truely good but please never place yourself above sangat. Other then that, nothing wrong with going vegan.

Waheguru

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Questioner - I totally agree that Guroo Sahib would probably want everyone to be vegan now. If I take degh isn't that being a part time vegan? I know Gursikhs that use vegan products and replacements in Degh - the taste is immense. But nowadays it's just random people at the Gurdwara who dont read Bani when making Degh - so is it really that bad if I don't take it? I've got far worse things to worry about in my jeevan rather than not taking a piece of degh.

Don't know jee. I tried veganism and during that time I didn't take degh, of course, and Gursikhs were horrified at this. So I assumed it's a bigger deal than I understand.

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[Food is not important, NAAM is ! ]

ਮਃ ੧ ॥

मः १ ॥

Mėhlā 1.

First Mehl:

xxx

xxx

ਕਿਆ ਖਾਧੈ ਕਿਆ ਪੈਧੈ ਹੋਇ ॥

किआ खाधै किआ पैधै होइ ॥

Ki▫ā kẖāḏẖai ki▫ā paiḏẖai ho▫e.

What good is food, and what good are clothes,

xxx

(ਸੋਹਣੇ ਭੋਜਨ) ਖਾਣ ਤੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ ਕਪੜੇ) ਹੰਢਾਣ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਸੁਆਦ?

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥

जा मनि नाही सचा सोइ ॥

Jā man nāhī sacẖā so▫e.

if the True Lord does not abide within the mind?

xxx

ਜੇ ਉਹ ਸੱਚਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੱਸਦਾ, (ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ)।

ਕਿਆ ਮੇਵਾ ਕਿਆ ਘਿਉ ਗੁੜੁ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੈਦਾ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥

किआ मेवा किआ घिउ गुड़ु मिठा किआ मैदा किआ मासु ॥

Ki▫ā mevā ki▫ā gẖi▫o guṛ miṯẖā ki▫ā maiḏā ki▫ā mās.

What good are fruits, what good is ghee, sweet jaggery, what good is flour, and what good is meat?

xxx

ਕੀਹ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ ਮੇਵੇ, ਘਿਉ, ਮਿੱਠਾ ਗੁੜ ਮੈਦਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਵਰਤੇ?

ਕਿਆ ਕਪੜੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਕੀਜਹਿ ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ ॥

किआ कपड़ु किआ सेज सुखाली कीजहि भोग बिलास ॥

Ki▫ā kapaṛ ki▫ā sej sukẖālī kījėh bẖog bilās.

What good are clothes, and what good is a soft bed, to enjoy pleasures and sensual delights?

ਕੀਜਹਿ = ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਣ। ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ = ਰੰਗ-ਰਲੀਆਂ।

ਕੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ) ਕੱਪੜੇ ਤੇ ਸੌਖੀ ਸੇਜ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਤੇ ਜੇ ਮੌਜਾਂ ਮਾਣ ਲਈਆਂ?

ਕਿਆ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਿਆ ਨੇਬ ਖਵਾਸੀ ਆਵੈ ਮਹਲੀ ਵਾਸੁ ॥

किआ लसकर किआ नेब खवासी आवै महली वासु ॥

Ki▫ā laskar ki▫ā neb kẖavāsī āvai mahlī vās.

What good is an army, and what good are soldiers, servants and mansions to live in?

ਨੇਬ = ਚੋਬਦਾਰ। ਖਵਾਸੀ = ਚੌਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ।

ਤਾਂ ਕੀਹ ਬਣ ਗਿਆ ਜੇ ਫ਼ੌਜ, ਚੋਬਦਾਰ, ਚੋਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ ਮਿਲ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਮਹਲਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਸਣਾ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਇਆ?

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਭੇ ਟੋਲ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੨॥

नानक सचे नाम विणु सभे टोल विणासु ॥२॥

Nānak sacẖe nām viṇ sabẖe tol viṇās. ||2||

O Nanak, without the True Name, all this paraphernalia shall disappear. ||2||

ਟੋਲ = ਪਦਾਰਥ ॥੨॥

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਾਸਵੰਤ ਹਨ ॥੨॥

Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=1&fb=0&Param=142

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[Food is not important, NAAM is ! ]

ਮਃ ੧ ॥

मः १ ॥

Mėhlā 1.

First Mehl:

xxx

xxx

ਕਿਆ ਖਾਧੈ ਕਿਆ ਪੈਧੈ ਹੋਇ ॥

किआ खाधै किआ पैधै होइ ॥

Ki▫ā kẖāḏẖai ki▫ā paiḏẖai ho▫e.

What good is food, and what good are clothes,

xxx

(ਸੋਹਣੇ ਭੋਜਨ) ਖਾਣ ਤੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ ਕਪੜੇ) ਹੰਢਾਣ ਦਾ ਕੀਹ ਸੁਆਦ?

ਜਾ ਮਨਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥

जा मनि नाही सचा सोइ ॥

Jā man nāhī sacẖā so▫e.

if the True Lord does not abide within the mind?

xxx

ਜੇ ਉਹ ਸੱਚਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ ਨਹੀਂ ਵੱਸਦਾ, (ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਸੋਹਣੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਹਨ)।

ਕਿਆ ਮੇਵਾ ਕਿਆ ਘਿਉ ਗੁੜੁ ਮਿਠਾ ਕਿਆ ਮੈਦਾ ਕਿਆ ਮਾਸੁ ॥

किआ मेवा किआ घिउ गुड़ु मिठा किआ मैदा किआ मासु ॥

Ki▫ā mevā ki▫ā gẖi▫o guṛ miṯẖā ki▫ā maiḏā ki▫ā mās.

What good are fruits, what good is ghee, sweet jaggery, what good is flour, and what good is meat?

xxx

ਕੀਹ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ ਮੇਵੇ, ਘਿਉ, ਮਿੱਠਾ ਗੁੜ ਮੈਦਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਸ ਆਦਿਕ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਵਰਤੇ?

ਕਿਆ ਕਪੜੁ ਕਿਆ ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਕੀਜਹਿ ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ ॥

किआ कपड़ु किआ सेज सुखाली कीजहि भोग बिलास ॥

Ki▫ā kapaṛ ki▫ā sej sukẖālī kījėh bẖog bilās.

What good are clothes, and what good is a soft bed, to enjoy pleasures and sensual delights?

ਕੀਜਹਿ = ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਣ। ਭੋਗ ਬਿਲਾਸ = ਰੰਗ-ਰਲੀਆਂ।

ਕੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਜੇ (ਸੋਹਣੇ) ਕੱਪੜੇ ਤੇ ਸੌਖੀ ਸੇਜ ਮਿਲ ਗਈ ਤੇ ਜੇ ਮੌਜਾਂ ਮਾਣ ਲਈਆਂ?

ਕਿਆ ਲਸਕਰ ਕਿਆ ਨੇਬ ਖਵਾਸੀ ਆਵੈ ਮਹਲੀ ਵਾਸੁ ॥

किआ लसकर किआ नेब खवासी आवै महली वासु ॥

Ki▫ā laskar ki▫ā neb kẖavāsī āvai mahlī vās.

What good is an army, and what good are soldiers, servants and mansions to live in?

ਨੇਬ = ਚੋਬਦਾਰ। ਖਵਾਸੀ = ਚੌਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ।

ਤਾਂ ਕੀਹ ਬਣ ਗਿਆ ਜੇ ਫ਼ੌਜ, ਚੋਬਦਾਰ, ਚੋਰੀ-ਬਰਦਾਰ ਮਿਲ ਗਏ ਤੇ ਮਹਲਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਵੱਸਣਾ ਨਸੀਬ ਹੋਇਆ?

ਨਾਨਕ ਸਚੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਣੁ ਸਭੇ ਟੋਲ ਵਿਣਾਸੁ ॥੨॥

नानक सचे नाम विणु सभे टोल विणासु ॥२॥

Nānak sacẖe nām viṇ sabẖe tol viṇās. ||2||

O Nanak, without the True Name, all this paraphernalia shall disappear. ||2||

ਟੋਲ = ਪਦਾਰਥ ॥੨॥

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਤੋਂ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਾਰੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਨਾਸਵੰਤ ਹਨ ॥੨॥

Source - http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&g=1&h=1&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=1&fb=0&Param=142

It is true NAAM is important but it is also important to be compassionate. After looking at how animals are treated at slaughterhouses, should Sikhs really support such practices?

Becoming Vegan or vegetarian should be an ethical decision not religious.

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Be as much vegan as u can. Degh can be an exception right? But even then, if you have to abstain, its no biggy as long as ur intentions are right yeh?

To me, a vegie diet makes no sense since using dairy products still causes animals so much distress. A cow produces milk for its offspring. Not humans. Back in the day it was a different story. Today, with commercialism and all that, cows are fed all sorts to change their hormones thus enabling them to produce milk around the clock. Otherwise i cow would only produce milk for a couple years after birth.

a lot of the time, malf calves are either killed or left for the veal industry...both as evil as each other. Cows are beautiful animals... treated like <banned word filter activated> tho...sad world.

also the health benefits of milk are not 100% proven. They could be equally adverse...do some googling. Soya milk is like pure protein without all the rubbish. Dusnt taste the same tho :/

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Veer barinder singh you can not be more misinformed , you know jover 80% of fertile land in North America is used for crops that directly go into feeding factory farm live stock - the crops are soy and corn

We will employ much less farm workers if the world went vegan ...also will leave lots of forests uncut and be able to reslove food hunger

Also you can wash off fertilizers but what do you do with all the growth hormones , antibiotics and steroids that are in dairy and meat ?

Where did you get the figure 80% from. Was it from one of those biased over dramatized films on youtube?

Fyi corn and soy bean farms have the least labor cost. All planted maintain and harvest by machinery. The farms where workers are directly exposed to harmful chemicals is vegetable and fruit farms. And these farms employ the most workers for harvesting and maintaining, not corn and soybeans. Land that is used for soybean or corn cannot used for veg and fruit farms. The nutrient and condition of the land does not let veg and fruits to be grown.

Forest are not being cut due to farms. This is ridiculous remark. Forest are being cut because of industrial and resdential use. Corn and soy can be grown in pretty much any land with least amount of nutrients in the soil. It is fruit and veg farms that require high nutrient soil with good water drainage soil to grow. For these farms forest are cut down due to Increase of demand.

Greenhouse employees can tell of the bad conditions they work in. Exposure to extreme heat, chemicals, and safety hazards. Vegans are blind to this conditio of farm workers. Open your eyes these are people. They deserve respect and just not your cow.

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http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsandnature/our-water-is-going-to-a-plant-we-dont-eat-to-support-a-diet-we-dont-need/

For everyone else please watch this

"A glass of dairy has more cruelty than steak" - at 50:00 in the video , watch how your dairy is produced

Finally Degh is just a custom not a core gurmat principle like seva, simran, sangeet , shastar or sangat or vand chakna , sarbat da bhala.

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