Bad Spirits, Demons, Negativity, Ghosts

[simran345]

I am not stating these things do not exist but to quickly jump in and endorse the concept of possession is not beneficial to anyone let alone the person who is already suffering. This original poster is already tormented by something and beginning to think along these lines because they cannot explain what and why is happening to them. By encouraging this notion you are indirectly pushing them down a very slippery slope into more negativity.

I was watching Panth Time last night on Sikh Channel and one person made a point by saying they asked a "Baba" why they were so quick in giving out shabads to solve peoples problems The Baba replied that 70% of issues are due to problems in the mind and most people are ignorant of that fact. Therefore we suggest to them to devote more time to paath so they can distract their mind

If the poster cannot successfully do that then I would first suggest they seek medical advice before thinking the solution to their problems is an exorcism of some kind. :nono:

har simarath man than sukhee binasee dhutheeaa soch.

Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, the mind and body find peace; the thought of duality is dispelled.

naanak ttaek guopaal kee govi(n)dh sa(n)katt moch.

Nanak takes the support of the Lord of the World, the Lord of the Universe, the Destroyer of troubles. :respect:

First fix the problems of the mind and the problems of the body will follow suit.

Thanku for ur help, yes paat distracts the mind too, but has power

[sikhiseeker]

I am not stating these things do not exist but to quickly jump in and endorse the concept of possession is not beneficial to anyone let alone the person who is already suffering. This original poster is already tormented by something and beginning to think along these lines because they cannot explain what and why is happening to them. By encouraging this notion you are indirectly pushing them down a very slippery slope into more negativity.

I was watching Panth Time last night on Sikh Channel and one person made a point by saying they asked a "Baba" why they were so quick in giving out shabads to solve peoples problems The Baba replied that 70% of issues are due to problems in the mind and most people are ignorant of that fact. Therefore we suggest to them to devote more time to paath so they can distract their mind by attaching it to the shabad instead and with that most problems will eventually go away.

If the poster cannot successfully do that then I would first suggest they seek medical advice before thinking the solution to their problems is an exorcism of some kind. :nono:

har simarath man than sukhee binasee dhutheeaa soch.

Meditating in remembrance on the Lord, the mind and body find peace; the thought of duality is dispelled.

naanak ttaek guopaal kee govi(n)dh sa(n)katt moch.

Nanak takes the support of the Lord of the World, the Lord of the Universe, the Destroyer of troubles. :respect:

First fix the problems of the mind and the problems of the body will follow suit.

WJKK WJKF

I understand your point, I also watched the panth time show and find peoples vichar on this particular topic alittle patronising, again due to people having no proper experience within this matter. Like how you said that some person stated 70% of people have mental issues, what about the other 30%, nobody came to any form of solution to deal with this percentage. There is no procedure in place to assist the sangat. In many cases people are unable to listen or do their Paath due to a paranormal possesion which has nothing to do with mental illness. However up until their is a structured procedure in place evaluating the different level of severity of the paranormal to assist the other 30%, the demand and supply for babeh dereh will always exist as our religious leaders and organisations are doing nothing to acknowledge it. I didn't hear anyone then go on to talk about the other 30%, did you?

Also the gurbani quotes which you kindly referenced I feel reflect on gurmat and Manmnat, not spiritual possesion. I agree it one thing to quickly state someone's possessed within 5 mins of assessment, however it's another thing to not eventually come to this point, if all other rational, logical and scientific explanations fail.

WJKK WJKF

[BarinderSingh]

I do have sympathy and understand what you are saying. Maybe im not the best person yo help you. However you created this topic to get help. So you will need to give more info of what you say and exactly what you have tried so far. Maybe someone who has dealt with this stuff before is reading and will be able to help you. Without more and clear info its hard to say what it is.

Trying to help and don't mean to insult you or belittle what you are going through.

[simran345]

I'm ok, thankuji for ur help.