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If you feel comfortable and more in flow with doing it internally, then this is what you should do.

If you start hearing the naads, then this is good and confirmation that you are proceeding the correct way.

BTW. are you talking about doing gurbani paath or doing jap of gurmantar or shabad ?

Just the Gurbani paath. Now I'm leaning towards Gurmantar. Seems like both Gurbani and Gurmantar are able to still the mind.

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Just the Gurbani paath. Now I'm leaning towards Gurmantar. Seems like both Gurbani and Gurmantar are able to still the mind.

That's good :biggrin2:

You want to get to stages where there are no distracting thoughts.

When you do this, the naad should also get more louder and clearer and they can themselves help you further.

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Just the Gurbani paath. Now I'm leaning towards Gurmantar. Seems like both Gurbani and Gurmantar are able to still the mind.

Yes off course, another reason traditionally they start off with longer mantra like for eg- mool mantra is to still mind further and also to make stamina of mind (for lack of better word) to hold intensity of mantra , but when one sees progress mind is becoming still and mind but rather surti can endure parkash/dhun/energy/gyan of gurbani, they can switch back from mool mantra to maha mantra (up to gurparsad) or gurmantra-vahiguroo do dhian or jaap.

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My two pennies worth to this discussion:



As long as your mind is taking in the Gurbanee you are reading then I don't think it matters whether it is loud or in your surtee. By "Taking in" I mean is whether the mind interpreting what is being read. Its this contemplating that Guru Sahib wants and there's a number of different techniques that GurSikhs, mahapursh and other enlightened people advise to wannabes like me.



For me personally, I have to start off reading Gurbanee slow and loud. This helps focus and concentration. If the slow and loud reading still doesn't tame the mind then repeating lines can help and even adding a sampat can kick the mind into thinking about what is being read rather than just robotic repetition. Once the focus and concentration is there and the mind is taking in the Gurbani you can switch to reading in your Surtee if you like.



Your whole lifestyle as well past karams have an impact on reaching a still mind.


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Both methods are parvaan. Doing loudly first and listening to it will increase your concentration, otherwise there is danger of you start doing it with repetation, but because you know it, you won't necessarily listen to it, but just complete it for the sake of doing it in auto-mode.

With regards to the granthi, you should have asked him, whats the need for eating food everyday? Once you have eaten it once, you know what it tastes like. In the same way gurbani is the food for our soul. Doing nitnem everyday is required to constantly remind our forgetfull mind of gurus message and feeds the soul.

prabh baanee sabadh subhaakhiaa ||

The Word of God's Bani, and His Shabad, are the best utterances.

gaavahu sunahu parrahu nith bhaaee gur poorai thoo raakhiaa || rehaao ||

So constantly sing them, listen to them, and read them, O Siblings of Destiny, and the Perfect Guru shall save you. ||Pause||

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Thank you for all the replies. Maybe I should have made the post a bit more specific. For example if one was to do paath reciting out loud and at another instance do it with surti...lets say you do nitnem by the two methods...which one would be accepted by Guru Ji? Paath done out loud or the paath done with surti.

Because personally I started to do paathby surti and I started to hear stuff and later on I ran into a video that said if you hear stuff then those are the naads that are heard by radhaswamis and that the Gurmat way is to recite it out loud and hear it with your ears...im so confused on this because im told that first you do Jaap out loud and then with surti...it seems the same thing to me. Maybe someone understands this issue and can help me distinguish what is the right way.

And also in a katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji he says that if you hear Vaheguru along with other dhunis then you're on the right path...if you only hear dhunis then he said no not that way.

veer jeeo the right way is in the shabad in rehras we ready daily " antar Gur aradhana jehava jap gur naao.." please do vichaar on this shabad - it has all the asnwers.

secondly Gursikhe is shabad - surat ka khel withou a doubt. Not sure if you are interpeting Giani Thakur Singh je's word correctly..however goal is keep going till hear shabad consistently as recall in your mind all day all the time.You must listen to that and not ignore it.

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