Islamic Website Propaganda?

[akalinihangguptsingh]

Waheguru Ji ka khalsa, waheguru Ji ki fateh!

I recently came across this website:

http://www.islam-sikhism.info/hist/feud/feud01.htm

and was quite taken back at what was written, please could I have a balanced response to these claims pyaare sangat ji?

Thank you

[Singh559]

No one takes these debates seriously, especially the intellectual and reasonable general public. This includes Muslims as well, most are embarrassed by the dishonest tactics used by the website you posted.

Anyways, here's a good website and basics of Sikhi has a great debate against one of these salafi fanatics:

http://searchsikhism.com/sikhism-islam

[13Mirch]

Waheguru Ji ka khalsa, waheguru Ji ki fateh!

I recently came across this website:

http://www.islam-sikhism.info/hist/feud/feud01.htm

and was quite taken back at what was written, please could I have a balanced response to these claims pyaare sangat ji?

Thank you

What's the point? He's been at it since '010 and not one intelligent individual has fallen for it.

[akalinihangguptsingh]

What's the point? He's been at it since '010 and not one intelligent individual has fallen for it.

Lol agreed, more than anything I was looking for a discussion response people could read if they came across anyone like this but haha great answer.

[Bijla Singh]

What needs to be looked at is how the Sikh Gurus handled and dealt with those who claimed to be the Guru in comparison to Mohammad. It does not matter whether one is a family or not. During Guru Nanak Dev Ji, a Nanoo Pandit adopted the name Nanak and claimed to be the prophesized prophet but when he had a dialogue with Guru Sahib, he admitted his mistake and reformed himself. On the other hand, when someone claimed to be a prophet during Mohammads time, the latter sent his followers to kill the former. No dialogue ever took place. This shows how Mohammad reacted violently when his ego was hurt.

If one wants to compare apples to apples then the only correct comparison is the time period of the first Guru and Mohammad because both were first leaders of their respective communities. Guru Sahib appointed a successor which kept Gurmat from falling in divisions and internal conflicts. Opposition that came from Minas, Ram Rais etc. was from those who had deviated from Gurmat and can be compared to those like Abu Jahl. The cause of opposition was the desire to become the rightful heir to Gurugaddi. Guru Sahib or Sikhs never showed violent hostility towards such groups. Even after ascension of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Sikhs did not kill any fake gurus. It was easy for the Gurus to eliminate such groups but being full of mercy and having conquered their ego, they did not act in anger. They believed that falsehood doesnt last forever and in lapse of time such groups disappeared. This shows that Sikhs bore no hatred for any such groups.

Mohammad on the other hand had no plans to appoint any successor which is why no one from his family could claim to be the next prophet. Also, Mohammad had no sons when he died so who could really lay any claim? Nonetheless, his death brought internal conflict over the next leader and eventually resulted in Shia Sunni split. Sikh nation has never faced such a split. Various jathebandis with minor rehat differences are unanimous that Sri Guru Granth Sahib is the rightful successor of Gurugaddi. Those who claimed to be the prophet after Mohammads death were severely dealt with and killed.

Further, Mohammad had his own share of problems and family feuds. His wives were constantly involved in conspiracy, slandering and bickering over sex nights. They were jealous of each other constantly engaged in trying to win more nights by badmouthing the other. At least two of Mohammads marriages were broken on the wedding night even before he had the chance to consummate. He was so disturbed that he left all his wives for some time and vowed to not have sex with them. He even threatened to divorce them if they didnt correct their attitude and Allah threatened to replace them with better wives. Guru Sahib had no such conflicts with their wives.

Whereas Sikh Gurus and Sikhs showed compassion and adopted more liberal attitude towards the opposing groups, Mohammad and Muslims were ruthless, hateful and intolerant.

[N30S1NGH]

We should be very careful and hesitant to compare two prophets, its very dangerous slope at the end of day you cannot convince son of father to like another father just an example..if its happen naturally..gurparsad..all in hakum if it does not thats in raza too....all this back and forth becomes quite petty, lame and cheap... at the end of day, infinite suns (Guru maharaj- Satguru nanak in eleven forms) does NOT need to be explained or debated, its presence its self authenticating to all thats why ultimate nature form of our Satguru is Pure existence (Sat), Pure consciouness (Gur-Chaitan) and Bliss (Parsad) listed first thing in gurbani Ik0ngkar Satgurparsad mangal over and over again that interpertation was given in japji sahib steek by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale. Go with that true form of satguru nanak, other party does not have any chance.

Regarding examples above in the above post All it takes any muslim historian who have read sikh history to come back with sakhi of sri guru gobind singh ji burned masands alive to debunk the above.

[Bijla Singh]

Masands were not punished for personal reasons. But Mohammad killed others for claiming what he thought was his personal right.

[N30S1NGH]

Masands were not punished for personal reasons. But Mohammad killed others for claiming what he thought was his personal right.

Don't mind me as we are in same team in this one, this type of vichar can only strengthen arguments against some of fascist muslims:

You said:

Whereas Sikh Gurus and Sikhs showed compassion and adopted more liberal attitude towards the opposing groups, Mohammad and Muslims were ruthless, hateful and intolerant.

In response to your statement:

Muslim can say:

Sri Guru Gobind Singh burned masand alive.

You may want to close some of loop holes in your argument

[Bijla Singh]

In the context we are discussing only groups who claimed to be the Guru or prophet. Masands fall into a different group.

[13Mirch]

In the context we are discussing only groups who claimed to be the Guru or prophet. Masands fall into a different group.

The byword here is 'claim.'

In the context we are discussing only groups who claimed to be the Guru or prophet. Masands fall into a different group.

The byword here is 'claim.'

The byword here is 'claim.'

The byword here is 'claim.'

Ok what the hell happened there?

Lol agreed, more than anything I was looking for a discussion response people could read if they came across anyone like this but haha great answer.

You know he keeps an eye on this forum Nihung Ji. Better get shastars, bastars and your dang ready. :excited: :pissed: :poke: :huh2: