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Agreed with the concept of selection rather than election but then again the point rises about who will be responsible to select such position heads. If we say Panj Piyaray then who will select those Panj Piyarays to select position heads (SGPC leaders, jathedars etc).

Same way how the panj pyare are selected. Only the person can do panj pyare seva who is observant of rehit, meaning they don't do krahits, have full Nitnem memorized, keep amritvela etc. The same selection system should be applied to sgpc members.

Democracy is good for politics not religious institutions. Because when democratic election system is used for an institution like sgpc, we end up electing corrupt politicians like the men currently running the our sikh parliament.

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On 2/14/2023 at 4:43 PM, Premi5 said:

Bump

Interesting topic, Thoughts

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On 6/20/2014 at 10:02 AM, chatanga said:

which rehit|s and which krahius should they be measured by?

Let me ask you a question Premi. We've been bouncing heads for many years now. Based on what you've read from me over many years, what do you think I'd think about this? 

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12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

 

Let me ask you a question Premi. We've been bouncing heads for many years now. Based on what you've read from me over many years, what do you think I'd think about this? 

To be honest, I don’t know what you think as I don’t recall any of your posts covering such a topic (you might have and I overlooked it). I think as someone who doesn’t go to India you would believe it a good idea. 

 

On 6/9/2014 at 11:55 PM, cool water said:

If a uk takht or continental takhts are no good then we need a central sikh authority in each continent or country that Sikhs can go to in their respective nations to get issues sorted or guidance. At the moment there too many various organisations and gurdwara committee's with different uncoordinated agenda's. They all need to come under one authority they have to answer to in each of the country. And those countries central Sikh authorities then answer to sri akal takht sahib.

At the moment sri akal takht sahib is hijacked and occupied by sgpc badal dal masands. Gyani gurbachan singh jathedhar seems like a nice man but as we seen countless times he is a firm badalite and not independant man he pays too much lip service to badal. Sri akal takht jathedhar should always be impartial and independent man fighting only for Sikh interests alone.

There needs to be consequences for sri akal takht jathedar and badal dal outside of India. Sikhs4justice in America did a wonderful job in getting criminal cases filed against badal, his son and others which prevented them coming to or staying in America for very long as warrants were issued for their arrest. The same strategy must be applied every time these people want to come aboard that if we see crimes and human rights abuses against sikhs and others take place we hold these people to account by taking these matters to the courts. It also a good way to humiliate them also and bad for their rep and prestige.

 

On 6/10/2014 at 4:10 PM, N30S1NGH said:

Good videos...i totally support his initiative:

 

 

 

On 6/10/2014 at 4:16 PM, chatanga said:

A UK Takht, is out of the question. What is more feasible is a SGPC style network of Gurdwaras in the UK to start with. The Sikh Council (UK) went some way to fulfilling this, but even now some 5 years after they started, no-one really hears of them.

We don't lack leadership, there's a leader i every house, what we lack is effective leadership. The leadership of the Sikhs in the UK are all panjabi-born sikhs who IMO are unable to deal with issues that are affecting us today. The main workers who get anything done are the western-educated Sikhs.

Just as on a micro-scale, panjabi born "uncles" are unwilling to let go, of their leaderi, it's the same on a macro scale.

I lost the trust in their competence years ago.

There are two other videos in this thread from Bhai Jagraj Singh ji, which cover the topic again. 
 

I agree with @chatanga1‘s point that the 1st generation oldies really should not be at front of our leadership as they cannot relate to well to issues affecting second gen onward Sikhs here.

I think it would be good for a mix of some of the recently arrived ‘freshie’ Sikhs as well as second and third gen onward to be represented in Gurdwara committees. 
 

But whether a new physical Takht is necessary or would work, I don’t agree. Where would it be based to start with?

I think there needs to be a central council that ‘police’s’ Gurdware, but I feel like our community is too divided. Perhaps the only way we can become United is because of development of some sort of ‘Crisis’ situation or civil unrest like which happened back in 2011 in the UK

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2 hours ago, Premi5 said:

To be honest, I don’t know what you think as I don’t recall any of your posts covering such a topic (you might have and I overlooked it). I think as someone who doesn’t go to India you would believe it a good idea. 

To me, it often seems like we are quite underdeveloped as a quom. I think having modern input into Panjab, as well as using experiences and knowledge garnered from abroad could help Panjab develop. But there would be a lot to overcome in this respect, not least of all, given the current dog-eat-dog mentalities prevalent back home, any initiatives are likely to be exploited or abused. 

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On 6/9/2014 at 12:50 PM, guruvah said:

As far as I know when the 5 Singh Sahiban meet, its never done in the presence of SGGS. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

You're not wrong. AFAIK, they meet in a small room in the Darshani Deodi (the tower which is at the start of the causeway to Darbar Sahib). They're all sitting in front of a small "daftar" or those little tables with storage you often see in front of a Gurdwara treasurer who is taking donations and issuing receipts.

How this is Maryada is anybody's guess.

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