Islamic Caliphate Khalifa Now A Reality In North Of Iraq And Syria

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Since we are seeing how ISIS islamic extremist terrorist group has now redefined borders creating an area of self rule for their brand of islam.

I think a wider regional middle eastern war being prepared between shia Iran and salafi sunni saudi arabia, which will rocket oil prices sky high and effect everyday life around the world that rely on oil/petrol especially in the west.

Anyone has thoughts on the issue?

[11qwert11]

Can someone explain the difference between Shia and sunni ?

[JeevanCymro]

The problem was....and still is the result of colonialism and the definition of artificial borders set up by European Powers in 19th Century which were drawn through tribal areas. Iraq is one case in point, so is most of Africa and even India as an unified entity. These problems will continue to exist until these countries either forge a new identity (this can and did happen in Italy and Germany (both countries are less than 150 years old) or seperation through internal disputes/ wars/genocide result in new borders...such as in the former Yugoslavia. Either way the planners of the old colonies created by the European powers of the day have caused a massive headache and untold death that lives with us today and will contine into the future. The involvement of US in the picture (the modern colonial power with a twist) only adds to the troubles.

[JeevanCymro]

Can someone explain the difference between Shia and sunni ?

Put very simplistically it boils down to the rightful heir to Muhammed the Seal of the Muslim Prophets. Sunnis believe that Muhammed chose Abu Bakr (father-in-law of Muhammed) to lead the prayers as he lay on his deathbed, suggesting that their prophet was naming Abu Bakr as the next leader.

The Shias' evidence is that Muhammad stood up in front of his companions on the way back from his final Hajj, proclaiming Ali Talib (son-in-law) the spiritual guide and master of all believers.

[guruvah]

Since we are seeing how ISIS islamic extremist terrorist group has now redefined borders creating an area of self rule for their brand of islam.

I think a wider regional middle eastern war being prepared between shia Iran and salafi sunni saudi arabia, which will rocket oil prices sky high and effect everyday life around the world that rely on oil/petrol especially in the west.

Anyone has thoughts on the issue?

ISIS is very has a radical <Edited> ideology.....even mainstream sunnis dont follow them. Keep Shia Iran aside.

Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani who can be said as the the Leader of Shia Muslims WORLDWIDE has asked Iraqi Shias to wage a Jihad againts ISIS.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/06/iraq-cleric-issues-call-arms-against-isil-2014613125518278210.html

Thousands of Shias men are joining the fight now......thats how influential Sistani is.

Iraq is heading towards a bloodbath.

[Jonny101]

Seems like everything America does, has a negative side effect. While Saddam Hussain was in power, he has kept the lid on all these radical Islamists within his borders. After the US invasion, Iraq fell into Iran's sphere of influence and the Sunnis became marginalized which led to radicalization of their youth. Then the US created and supported the FSA in Syria in order to topple Assad because Syria was an ally of Iran. Even though FSA it self is not radical but without Assad's iron grip on the country, it gave an opportunity to Al Nusra and ISIS which is bad for the whole region and we can see the result of this now happening in Iraq. If the Shia decide to unite they will probably beat ISIS. Only good thing to have happened in the region is the rise of the Kurdish regions who are progressive and keep in check Al Nusra and ISIS within their regions.

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Seems like the west are playing a very clever game they are allowing the holy war between sunni's and shia's to take place.

If you see the rise of ISIS / ISIL you can trace it back to saudi's funding them and who funds the saudis? America does as a regional ally.

So the game plan is to draw shia iran into the conflict with saudi's proxy ISIL in iraq which will mean saudi gets involved and other sunni majority muslim counties.... it will be one hell of a war.... mean while the west will sit back and watch and only throwing a few cruise missles and drone strikes here and there effectively not doing much.

If we analyse what brutal vile indian govt did in regards to the Sikh uprising in punjab 1980s ...the Sikhs effectively had self rule for a while untll the evil USSR soviets and evil UK govt tory govt conspired with Indira's evil indian govt to destroy that legitimate self rule of the people.

So in that context we shouldn't let the mainstream media fool us because they are the mouthpieces of the western governments and propagandists we should analyse who benefits and how the game plan will be played out for pretexts to be created to launch more wars for the military industrial complex.

[singh_comradz]

Seems like the west are playing a very clever game they are allowing the holy war between sunni's and shia's to take place.

If you see the rise of ISIS / ISIL you can trace it back to saudi's funding them and who funds the saudis? America does as a regional ally.

So the game plan is to draw shia iran into the conflict with saudi's proxy ISIL in iraq which will mean saudi gets involved and other sunni majority muslim counties.... it will be one hell of a war.... mean while the west will sit back and watch and only throwing a few cruise missles and drone strikes here and there effectively not doing much.

If we analyse what brutal vile indian govt did in regards to the Sikh uprising in punjab 1980s ...the Sikhs effectively had self rule for a while untll the evil USSR soviets and evil UK govt tory govt conspired with Indira's evil indian govt to destroy that legitimate self rule of the people.

So in that context we shouldn't let the mainstream media fool us because they are the mouthpieces of the western governments and propagandists we should analyse who benefits and how the game plan will be played out for pretexts to be created to launch more wars for the military industrial complex.

I don't think the West can afford to support a Sunni Shia divide and allow extremists to take control of large swathes of land. Security agencies are concerned about hardened western jihadis who are fighting in Syria and Iraq, only to return and wage their jihad in the west.

The Middle East provides a large amount of the Worlds oil and what the west needs in the Middle East is stability.

The entire notion of the US supporting sectarianism and jihadis in Iraq is the same as shooting yourself in the foot, because those jihadis hate everything the west stands for.

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I don't think the West can afford to support a Sunni Shia divide and allow extremists to take control of large swathes of land. Security agencies are concerned about hardened western jihadis who are fighting in Syria and Iraq, only to return and wage their jihad in the west.

The Middle East provides a large amount of the Worlds oil and what the west needs in the Middle East is stability.

The entire notion of the US supporting sectarianism and jihadis in Iraq is the same as shooting yourself in the foot, because those jihadis hate everything the west stands for.

The west are practising colonialism 2.0, it would be fair enough if america wanted to fight jihadi's for trying to attack them. That is called a righteous war and a just war, but when you attack on false pretexts for a profit or for economic advancement then that is called an imoral war an unjust evil war. And that is what freemasonic america and the western govts are engaged in. Remember they have removed strongmen arab dictators with military action like saddam and gadaffi who were secular moderate muslims and hated caliphate khalifa supporters / jihadi's. With the west supporting these jihadi terrorists it shows what game plan they are playing, the western governments arent stupid if they can put a man on the moon they can sure well understand and plan for jihadi's taking power in the vacuum after toppling of dictators that controlled them. The west is following the ancient doctrine of do war through deception, They show a public face of wanting democracy wanting freedom wanting human rights but in reality if its not in there interests for such things then they will support and conduct terrorist acts aboard and even in their own nations via its proxies.

The west supplies arms and international support to salafi wahaaabi Islam-facist saudi arabia and its the house of saud (that the west propped up) that funds, trains and provides cover for these terrorist jihadi criminals all around the world. So if you follow the chain of command it is the west who is pulling the strings to destabilise the middle east to draw in shia iran and sunni arab states into conflict in order to finish the fighting resources of muslim countries so that Zionist Jewish state of israel is strengthened and can prosper.

These world powers are all fighting on ideological fronts you have the west that are freemasonic Zionists and you have the muslim sunni nations that are islamo-fascists. None of these powers are fighting for a righteous cause they are all fighting to enslave humanity and to make as much money on innocent peoples misery as they can.

[singh_comradz]

The west are practising colonialism 2.0, it would be fair enough if america wanted to fight jihadi's for trying to attack them. That is called a righteous war and a just war, but when you attack on false pretexts for a profit or for economic advancement then that is called an imoral war an unjust evil war. And that is what freemasonic america and the western govts are engaged in. Remember they have removed strongmen arab dictators with military action like saddam and gadaffi who were secular moderate muslims and hated caliphate khalifa supporters / jihadi's. With the west supporting these jihadi terrorists it shows what game plan they are playing, the western governments arent stupid if they can put a man on the moon they can sure well understand and plan for jihadi's taking power in the vacuum after toppling of dictators that controlled them. The west is following the ancient doctrine of do war through deception, They show a public face of wanting democracy wanting freedom wanting human rights but in reality if its not in there interests for such things then they will support and conduct terrorist acts aboard and even in their own nations via its proxies.

The west supplies arms and international support to salafi wahaaabi Islam-facist saudi arabia and its the house of saud (that the west propped up) that funds, trains and provides cover for these terrorist jihadi criminals all around the world. So if you follow the chain of command it is the west who is pulling the strings to destabilise the middle east to draw in shia iran and sunni arab states into conflict in order to finish the fighting resources of muslim countries so that Zionist Jewish state of israel is strengthened and can prosper.

These world powers are all fighting on ideological fronts you have the west that are freemasonic Zionists and you have the muslim sunni nations that are islamo-fascists. None of these powers are fighting for a righteous cause they are all fighting to enslave humanity and to make as much money on innocent peoples misery as they can.

We don't live in the 17th century where countries make their money by taking over other countries and redirecting their resources. Sure there is deception and exploitation but it's of a different kind to what you posted......and with all due respect veeray.............the current Iraq crisis isn't due to one big 'conspiracy theory.'

Wars today cost billions and the cost isn't recompensed by Halliburton style rebuilding projects. In the 1980s the Soviet Union was financially bled dry by the cost of the Afghanistan War. The US have spent billions fighting two small wars in the last decade.

Countries like the US want to maintain and look after their own self interests, and will only fight small manageable wars. The world is like a game of chess and the west or Israel can ill afford a Middle East which threatens to engulf the entire region.

The US are not stupid and they will not directly or indirectly support jihadis who want to wage war against kafirs.

They have safeguarded Israel and the production of oil by giving aid to Middle East regimes but the Arab Spring have changed the dynamics of the region which now threaten not only Israel, but the interests of the West there and the geopolitical balance in the Middle East.