Origin Of Blue Bana's

[savinderpalsingh]

[N30S1NGH]

Very good thread :

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/10262-origins-of-sikhism/

[Jonny101]

Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara Tab lag tej diyo mai sara

Jab eh gae Bipran ki reet, mai naa karo in ki prateet

As long as Khalsa remains distinct we will have support of Guru Gobind Singh Jee. But when khalsa goes the way of Biparvaad as some members on this thread are doing by trying to Hinduize Sikhi, no wonder we are in the state we are today where Sikhs are confused about the distinctiveness of Sikh Dharm and think it is a part of Hinduism. May Guru Jee do kirpa on Khalsa so we remain distinct.

What ever we got we got from Guru Gobind Singh Jee. Devi Devtas are in no position to give us anything. Far from giving Guru's Khalsa anything, these Devi Devtas are beggars at the doorsteps of Khalsa.

[N30S1NGH]

When ram Chander JI became happy at Hanuman after looking at this jat and sat, ram gave him kachera..pointing towards jatta and sat qualities and alluding towards early ancient use of kachera. Gurbani patt darshan page- 62 by sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale

On another note, here is post by khalis

Very good explanation regarding this which was also used for parchar:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/66400-origen-of-the-5ks-hindu-devtas/?p=536494

Many of us look at these topics to literally and immaturely, we don't try and understand the superb psychology and stategy of Guru Gobind Singh bani and the writers and parcharaks of the puratan era (18th C).

How did the Khalsa panth keep getting populated and rejuvinated when it was being systematically removed from the face of the Earth by those who were threatened and in Raj?

Parcharaks drew in large numbers from the Hindu fold, by showing respect to the devtai but at the same time, showing their subservience to the Master of both Worlds - Guru Gobind Singh. Hindus are of many folds, if you take the most popular devtai (many of whose sakhiyan are actually very inspiring) and subtely enjoin/unite them under the hand of the tenth master, you open flood gates to a whole world of potential Khalsai.

Our semetic strategy of removing and insulting all non Sikh elements and proclaiming monopoly on God will never work if we want to grow the Panth and spread Sikhi.

The 'factual' element of these sakhiyan is of lesser importance, all that matters is the artth (underlying philosophy) which many of us sadly miss.

We should quit our phobias and make effort to understand more deeply the wisdom of old. You will find in many cases, it does not contradict Gurbani.

Guru Gobind Singj is said to have always carried a copy of Hanuman natak in his kamarkasa. If we bother to read the story of Hanuman, we may actually Be inspired by it and realise what it means to be a shargrid of the highest calibre - his love and devotion to his Guru/Parmatma, Sri Ramchandar was a masterclass in discipleship. We of course have are own traditions to look at and consider even more importantly like the majestic devotion of Bhai Lena to Guru Nanak Dev Ji, but that does not mean we cannot respect and also be inspired by others too.

Knowledge removes the need for low level insults and phobias of all kinds.

There cannot ever be any panthic ekta if all we do is ridicule the diversity of traditional beliefs, ithihas and traditions that exist. We don't have to agree, but at least 'try' and take something positive from them, and respect that other Guru Pyare hold those beliefs dear.

[TurbanGuys]

!! first Sikhs were already addicted of castiesm and now reading above I see They are also desperate to think that 5 k's come from Hindus?? LOL....ae ki ho reha va??

[jasdeepsingh2k125]

the while thing of giving 5ks was that when a Devi/devta gets happy on his/her devotee he /she gives them one article but badshah darvesh guru gobind Singh Jee sahib maharaj was so happy on khalsa that he blessed khalsa with 5ks at once...

source: giani thakur Singh jee

[Singh559]

Jab Lag Khalsa Rahe Niara Tab lag tej diyo mai sara

Jab eh gae Bipran ki reet, mai naa karo in ki prateet

As long as Khalsa remains distinct we will have support of Guru Gobind Singh Jee. But when khalsa goes the way of Biparvaad as some members on this thread are doing by trying to Hinduize Sikhi, no wonder we are in the state we are today where Sikhs are confused about the distinctiveness of Sikh Dharm and think it is a part of Hinduism. May Guru Jee do kirpa on Khalsa so we remain distinct.

What ever we got we got from Guru Gobind Singh Jee. Devi Devtas are in no position to give us anything. Far from giving Guru's Khalsa anything, these Devi Devtas are beggars at the doorsteps of Khalsa.

Well said.

The more these people spew bipran ki reet they will only further dig their own graves in terms of progression of their own Sikhi and progression of the Panth. Khalsa is distinct because we only answer to Akaal Purakh and our Guru is Guru Granth Sahib Ji - 10 Guru's. Khalsa is very practical in nature and that is the most dangerous part of the Sikh panth, we are very dangerous to the corrupt and evil if unpard pindoos stop denying the Niara-pun of Khalsa Panth- intentionally or unintentionally.

I know what the other perspective is - that of the sanatan Hindus in guise of Sikhs. They fail to realize that all history, mythology, avtars and history from other religions (hinduism or islam) are to be viewed through the scope of Guru Sahib END OF DISCUSSION. Sant Giani Gurbachan Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale's jeevan and recorded katha attests to this- nowhere does Sant Ji by any stretch of imagination say anything about our Kakaars not coming from Guru Sahib.

I can make many reasonable points about the absurdity of that video and the claims some people on this thread are making that would be taken seriously by the adharmic and dharmic educated folk, but that would mean what I typed in my previous sentence about viewing everything through scope of Guru Sahib is not sufficient reasoning and I will not insult Guru Sahib. Should not reply to ideas that deliberately or unintentionally are trying to throw chikkard on Guru Sahib's house.

[singh598]

Well said.

The more these people spew bipran ki reet

bipran ki reet is brahminism. We are talking about ancient sanatan beliefs regarding the bana and 5 ks.

this is not bipran ki reet

[chatanga]

!! first Sikhs were already addicted of castiesm and now reading above I see They are also desperate to think that 5 k's come from Hindus?? LOL....ae ki ho reha va??

I think what some people are saying is that some of the 5ks were in existence before the Khalsa Panth. Thats not to say that the Guru must have "borrowed" them or "copied" them. There are many aspects of Sikhi that were prevalent before Sikhi started. That doesnn't make them wrong.

Take the example of Raags for instance. They began with Bhgawan Shiv JI and Mata Parbati.

Has the Sikh Panth lost its distinct qualities because of raags being the same? No.

And neither will the SIkh Panth lose any distinct qualities if any of the 5K were used by the hindus.

[TurbanGuys]

I think what some people are saying is that some of the 5ks were in existence before the Khalsa Panth. Thats not to say that the Guru must have "borrowed" them or "copied" them. There are many aspects of Sikhi that were prevalent before Sikhi started. That doesnn't make them wrong.

Take the example of Raags for instance. They began with Bhgawan Shiv JI and Mata Parbati.

Has the Sikh Panth lost its distinct qualities because of raags being the same? No.

And neither will the SIkh Panth lose any distinct qualities if any of the 5K were used by the hindus.

I am not saying don't tell the origin... I m wondering because above some people are using terms like " interconnection", "came", "Coming","blessings of devi/devtas" of hinduism with sikhism.. ...

If I say don't drink alcohol bcz its bad for health and some other person says the same ..It does not mean that his words were coming from my words or he Copied me......its just a common sense. that people don't try to understand..

Turbans were already in existence before Tenth Guru.and EACH AND EVERY GURU OF SIKHS HAD kesh and turban on his head..But today Sikh people try to Ignore the common sense and like to say Only tenth Guru says them to wear...Just bcz he has passed that order.....?? why are not talking about the origin again ?

That's what I m talking about the sick mentality of modern sikh people....

The thing is that who maintained the respect and dignity of those 5k's ....

Hindus might have used some other terms for their things..but Saying like that 5 k's were in existence before sikhism is really offensive for Guruji..

people sound like 3HO follower who are saying like that about 5k's. Btw its an online forum not sure how many non sikh people who are enemy to sikhs come to this forum and read such Articles......and will be happy to see we are digging a well for own people with our own hands...

At the end of the day ,It would not result in anything else but our own people are giving a big excuse to Hindu people to bark against us and They are waiting for the that moment When We give them Excuse and they Attack on us...