Universal Panj Pyaare ?

[jorawarsinghnijjar]

My question is little bit inadequate, I don't have the tendency to ask such a big question.

Shouldn't there be only one place to take amrit ?, I mean only one group of Panj Pyaare as our GURU not anyone from the crowd. But only five Brahmgyani's from the whole world should have the right to do amrit ceremony. As we see at Kalgidhar Patshah's time only Five did the ceremony for thousands. And they were real sikhs. Not just from outside, I mean they were enlightened.

What are your views?

[MokhamSingh]

My question is little bit inadequate, I don't have the tendency to ask such a big question.

Shouldn't there be only one place to take amrit ?, I mean only one group of Panj Pyaare as our GURU not anyone from the crowd. But only five Brahmgyani's from the whole world should have the right to do amrit ceremony. As we see at Kalgidhar Patshah's time only Five did the ceremony for thousands. And they were real sikhs. Not just from outside, I mean they were enlightened.

What are your views?

You are obviously a Bramh Gyani. Could you please select another four, of your calibre, and do the seva....

[jorawarsinghnijjar]

Khalsa ji I beg to you don't say like that to me ? Brahmgyani, sant, bhagat, khalsa are very big titles only given by GOD Almighty.

I am sinned with this.

Don't get angry with my topic, Just try to understand the situation,because Panj Pyaare should be perfect otherwise we who take amrit from them won't be perfect.

[jorawarsinghnijjar]

You are obviously a Bramh Gyani. Could you please select another four, of your calibre, and do the seva....

Khalsa Ji I am talking about personalities like Sant attar singh ji, Baba NAnd singh ji, Baba Deep Singh ji, Sant Harnam SIngh Rampur KHera, Bhai Randhir SIngh, Bhai Seva Singh, Sant Jarnail SIngh ANd many more like this. Persons like this have the qualities to do the duty of amrit paan.

[simran345]

My question is little bit inadequate, I don't have the tendency to ask such a big question.

Shouldn't there be only one place to take amrit ?, I mean only one group of Panj Pyaare as our GURU not anyone from the crowd. But only five Brahmgyani's from the whole world should have the right to do amrit ceremony. As we see at Kalgidhar Patshah's time only Five did the ceremony for thousands. And they were real sikhs. Not just from outside, I mean they were enlightened.

What are your views?

Well this world is a big place with a lot of people, not thousands, millions and more. What u are saying would be very difficult to organise.

[MokhamSingh]

Khalsa ji I beg to you don't say like that to me ? Brahmgyani, sant, bhagat, khalsa are very big titles only given by GOD Almighty.

I am sinned with this.

Don't get angry with my topic, Just try to understand the situation,because Panj Pyaare should be perfect otherwise we who take amrit from them won't be perfect.

Only GURU Ji's Sikhi can make us perfect. Only those who adopt GURU Ji's teaching will become perfect...

Khalsa Ji I am talking about personalities like Sant attar singh ji, Baba NAnd singh ji, Baba Deep Singh ji, Sant Harnam SIngh Rampur KHera, Bhai Randhir SIngh, Bhai Seva Singh, Sant Jarnail SIngh ANd many more like this. Persons like this have the qualities to do the duty of amrit paan.

There have been many revered GURMUKHS in the past. What method do you have to 'test the BRAMH GYANINESS' of today's Sikhs?...

[savinderpalsingh]

maharaja of patiala said same thing and he was taught a good lesson in amrit sanchar by 5 bhramgiani's

[jorawarsinghnijjar]

Only GURU Ji's Sikhi can make us perfect. Only those who adopt GURU Ji's teaching will become perfect...

There have been many revered GURMUKHS in the past. What method do you have to 'test the BRAMH GYANINESS' of today's Sikhs?...

I don't have any method but may be there could be a solution to this problem. Because when I took amrit the Panj Pyaare were not in sehaj. They were in a hurry and just rushed. i didn't expect that but I had to accept that because I thought it was GURU sahib's HUKAM.

May be we can do ardaas for this to GURU sahib and look out for a perfect saint to do duty of panj pyaare from the sangat.

[jorawarsinghnijjar]

Well this world is a big place with a lot of people, not thousands, millions and more. What u are saying would be very difficult to organise.

It is difficult to organise for sometime but if it happens our community would be under right leadership. Now our leaders not that perfect. For example instead of helping poor we are putting so called GOLD( which is DUST for Guru JI) on the walls for nothing. I don't think GURU ji taught us. In India 25% of people don't even get food under 2000 calories a day.(1.25$/day).

We sikhs have no free hospital for poor. why?

We shall be ashamed.

[InderjitS]

My question is little bit inadequate, I don't have the tendency to ask such a big question.

Shouldn't there be only one place to take amrit ?, I mean only one group of Panj Pyaare as our GURU not anyone from the crowd. But only five Brahmgyani's from the whole world should have the right to do amrit ceremony. As we see at Kalgidhar Patshah's time only Five did the ceremony for thousands. And they were real sikhs. Not just from outside, I mean they were enlightened.

What are your views?

Not saying you are with the same group, but there is a fake baba who preaches along the same lines. One of his chele who used to be Amrtidhari, wrote books and helped run camps became a patit after meeting this clown and now spreads bs via http://www.eternalguru.info/ and satnaam.info. when he cut his hair I began a discussion with him to find out why but he was a lost cause, he thinks only brahmgianis can administer pahul, otherwise it's not amrit.

No one is going to put their hands up and say I'm a brahmgiani only people who are not themselves at this stage call others by this name, there is no certification so how would we truly know, only they do. Maybe you used the wrong terminology but I agree that the Panj should be 100% rehitvaan Gursikhs and some element of testing performed on the sangat wishing to take amrit.