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Curfew Clamped In Saharanpur After Clashes, Arson


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The largely Hindu Police stood back in this clash, this also something that should be noted. The Sikhs are saying this incident was well planned. This kind of thing does not happen if the Police and Political leaders are not involved, similar to 1984. Sikhs are not safe in India.

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"Punjabi Sikhs"..?? It is a shame that the whole nest of vipers is thriving and surviving in Malerkotla whilst the blood of our brothers is being shed on the streets by these dirty low class bhaiyas. Where are the so called "vailey jatt", "soorme" , :"anakhi" type now?? Grow a pair, attack Malerkotla, let no muzzie man or child go away alive. Take their young women and give a few of them to our hot blooded young males for pleasure.

That's a bit over the top. But the mistake was made in 1947 when the Jathas did not pursue the Muslims into Malerkotla and ensure that they left East Punjab as all the other Muslims did and as you say allowed a nest of vipers to thrive and reassert themselves in the Sikh heartland.

And before anyone comes back with the Ha Da Nahra story, remember that the Sikhs prior to 1947 did not have any great regard for Malerkotla. Sher Mohammed was someone who abducted a Singhni from Amritsar who committed suicide rather than be raped by him. He was killed in a battle with the Sikhs of Doaba soon after. A number of the Nawabs of Malerkota were also killed by the Dal Khalsa in battle. Maharaja Ranjit Singh forced the Nawab of Malerkotla to abdicate and the state only survived because by the treaty of Amritsar restricted the Maharaja to north of the Satluj.

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Ramadan tends to be the most violent month among Muslims.

apparently allah says that those who wage war in the pure month are the best of all. o

Let's be honest here. Sikhs in Punjab can't do anything. The biggest joke is that 14000 Nihangs are coming to UP to take revenge. They can't even take revenge in Punjab let alone go and do the same in UP. Chances are if they ever did go there they would want a police escort and a guaranteed supply of Sukha! We call the Punjabi Hindus cowards and yet they took action and blockaded a mosque in Punjab when news came that the Kashmiri Muslims had burnt the langar camps of the Hindu yatris at the Amarnath yatra camp.

You are right that the Dakhani Sikhs are much more able to take care of themselves than the Punjabi Sikhs.

You are right, Nihangs as a fighting force is ridiculous. No doubt that on an individual basis, they may have battle skills, but that is different from being a fighting unit. At no time in the last 20 years at least, have they shown their prowess on a unit basis.

I had heard about the Kashmir incident, and am glad, that the HIndus took action over it. This "quid-pro-quo" is where we Sikhs should be heading towards.

"Punjabi Sikhs"..?? It is a shame that the whole nest of vipers is thriving and surviving in Malerkotla whilst the blood of our brothers is being shed on the streets by these dirty low class bhaiyas. Where are the so called "vailey jatt", "soorme" , :"anakhi" type now?? Grow a pair, attack Malerkotla, let no muzzie man or child go away alive. Take their young women and give a few of them to our hot blooded young males for pleasure.

These are dangerous words to say, esp where Sikhs are at the mercy of these people.

That's a bit over the top. But the mistake was made in 1947 when the Jathas did not pursue the Muslims into Malerkotla and ensure that they left East Punjab as all the other Muslims did and as you say allowed a nest of vipers to thrive and reassert themselves in the Sikh heartland.

And before anyone comes back with the Ha Da Nahra story, remember that the Sikhs prior to 1947 did not have any great regard for Malerkotla. Sher Mohammed was someone who abducted a Singhni from Amritsar who committed suicide rather than be raped by him. He was killed in a battle with the Sikhs of Doaba soon after. A number of the Nawabs of Malerkota were also killed by the Dal Khalsa in battle. Maharaja Ranjit Singh forced the Nawab of Malerkotla to abdicate and the state only survived because by the treaty of Amritsar restricted the Maharaja to north of the Satluj.

You talk about Malerkotla, although at the time and even know the "Ha Da Nahra" incident is still beleived and preserved upto this day, but what about the few thousand that were left in Panjab as a whole. I mean, Jalandhar has over 25,000 muslims today, Panjabis, not bhaiyye or such. If the Sikhs to a man were forced out of west panjab, our elders should have applied the same treatment. Quid pro quo. Simple as that.

The number of muslims in Amritsar and Ludhiana? It's shocking. If we can't preserve our Sikh heritage in Pakistan, why let new mosques be built in Panjab, india?

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Ultimately Sikhs must realise we only got an empire and self governance and authority to legislation and self rule through armed forces and milita's we do not ask or beg for self rule we snatched ir from our oppressors and perseuctors.

Authority ultimately is only given and enforced by those who have the biggest war tactic courage, braun and manpower.
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Saharanpur is in the NW part of UP. In olden times it was known as Rohilkhand. The Muslims of this area are the descendants of Rohillas who acted as the 5th column during Abdali's invasion in India during the battle of Panipat. When Sikh misls ruled over Punjab, they also began to carry out raids in Rohilkhand and repeatedly pounded these Rohillas like no one else could have. Saharanpur was under the Shahid Misl before the British took it under their control

During Maharaja Ranjit Singh's era, a fanatic from Rohilkhand named Syed Ahmad Barelvi and his followers which included Shah Ismail who was the grandson of a great Islamic scholar Shah WalliUllah (who had invited Abdali to invade India to restore Islamic rule) came to NW frontier to incite the Pathans of Yusafzai tribe to conduct a Jihad against the Sikhs, their plan was the overthrow Sikh rule and replace it with Islamic rule. These guys were heavily influenced by Wahabis of Najd when they had gone to Arabia for a Hajj. For a while they had implemented strict Sharia Law in Peshawar and had even destroyed Sufi Dargas. They were like the ISIS/Taliban of that era. But they would never fight the Sikhs in a open battle. They would always run away when Sikhs would come. Eventually the Sikhs intercepted them at Balakot where they met their doom. These descendants of the Rohillas have probably not forgotten the pounding their ancestors received at the hands of Sikhs of olden times and are ever ready to riot against the Sikhs.

As for some here saying Sikhs are now weak. It's not weakness, but the Sikhs don't retaliate instantly. In March 1947. when the Muslims of Pothohar had began killing Sikhs, the Sikhs did not retaliate then and this emboldened the Muslims of Punjab into thinking that Sikhs had grown weak and can no longer retaliate, and so the Muslims continued with their violence. When the Sikh retaliation did eventually come during the summer of 1947, they ended up killing double the amount of Muslims. It's sad so many people had to die. But had the Sikhs retaliated in March when they began killing Sikhs, as the Hindus had done in Calcutta during direct action day then maybe a million people would not have died in Punjab on both sides of the border.

Very old but true saying is, Hindus prepare for the storm before it comes, Muslims prepare when it comes and Sikhs prepare after the storm has passed. And unfortunately for us this is true. Even though Guru Gobind Singh Jee had given hukam to Sikhs to always be tyar bar tyar, but Sikhs are never battle ready when the battle happens. Riots of 1947, 1984 and even the Sacha Sauda riots and now Saharanpur riots are all proof of this.

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