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Curfew Clamped In Saharanpur After Clashes, Arson


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Saharanpur is in the NW part of UP. In olden times it was known as Rohilkhand. The Muslims of this area are the descendants of Rohillas who acted as the 5th column during Abdali's invasion in India during the battle of Panipat. When Sikh misls ruled over Punjab, they also began to carry out raids in Rohilkhand and repeatedly pounded these Rohillas like no one else could have. Saharanpur was under the Shahid Misl before the British took it under their control

During Maharaja Ranjit Singh's era, a fanatic from Rohilkhand named Syed Ahmad Barelvi and his followers which included Shah Ismail who was the grandson of a great Islamic scholar Shah WalliUllah (who had invited Abdali to invade India to restore Islamic rule) came to NW frontier to incite the Pathans of Yusafzai tribe to conduct a Jihad against the Sikhs, their plan was the overthrow Sikh rule and replace it with Islamic rule. These guys were heavily influenced by Wahabis of Najd when they had gone to Arabia for a Hajj. For a while they had implemented strict Sharia Law in Peshawar and had even destroyed Sufi Dargas. They were like the ISIS/Taliban of that era. But they would never fight the Sikhs in a open battle. They would always run away when Sikhs would come. Eventually the Sikhs intercepted them at Balakot where they met their doom. These descendants of the Rohillas have probably not forgotten the pounding their ancestors received at the hands of Sikhs of olden times and are ever ready to riot against the Sikhs.

As for some here saying Sikhs are now weak. It's not weakness, but the Sikhs don't retaliate instantly. In March 1947. when the Muslims of Pothohar had began killing Sikhs, the Sikhs did not retaliate then and this emboldened the Muslims of Punjab into thinking that Sikhs had grown weak and can no longer retaliate, and so the Muslims continued with their violence. When the Sikh retaliation did eventually come during the summer of 1947, they ended up killing double the amount of Muslims. It's sad so many people had to die. But had the Sikhs retaliated in March when they began killing Sikhs, as the Hindus had done in Calcutta during direct action day then maybe a million people would not have died in Punjab on both sides of the border.

Very old but true saying is, Hindus prepare for the storm before it comes, Muslims prepare when it comes and Sikhs prepare after the storm has passed. And unfortunately for us this is true. Even though Guru Gobind Singh Jee had given hukam to Sikhs to always be tyar bar tyar, but Sikhs are never battle ready when the battle happens. Riots of 1947, 1984 and even the Sacha Sauda riots and now Saharanpur riots are all proof of this.

Good analysis.

It is to determent but also to the credit of the Sikh community and Sikh religion because of high ethics and moral code that Sikhs dont go out looking for trouble and not to cause violence first on other communities.

During the 1947 partition of Punjab many innocent Sikh civilians were wiped out by evil mording muslim mobs mostly from outside area's where they had no sikh neighbors or had any contact with them. So you had tribal pasthun muslims from wazirstian and else where attacking Sikhs and hindus in mirpur and nothern kashmir. Then you had punjabi muslims from different villages attacking neighbourhoods where there was mixed populations or purely Sikh villages. That is what set off the chain reaction and Sikhs formed their own killing hit squads and jatha's that fought a war of survival it was either do or die situation. Sikhs did take out a large number of muslim fanatics to our credit with little resources and manpower.

Problem is they weren't able to consolidate and capitalise by forming khalistan or sikhistan in nothern India. They set all their eggs in one basket trusting master tara singh and the treacherous murderous brahminwad secular congress party. British military intelligence agents from M16 were convinced Sikhistan was imminent seeing how much ground Sikhs had taken and had started to make plans for its inception warning their administration in london and new dehli's nehru's congress of what was happening on the ground. It is then that the nehru corrupt pedo dog called the sikhs a "criminal tribe" and trouble makers because we didnt want to be ruled under British-Congress puppet power nexus. It is then that denial of basic human and civil rights for Sikhs started to happen with close British and Indian military intelligence cooperation to ensure Sikhs were not able to get their independence from their evil vile bloodstained cluthes.

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Interviews with the Sikh victims in the media continue to show how well planned this incident was. The victims state that the Police when called ignored the pleas of the Sikhs and said they had no orders to intervene. You would have thought the largely Hindu Police would have opened fire with out hesitation on Muslims. The rioters also had material to set fire to shops already prepared, similar to 1984. The victims also state that this was a conspiracy to set minorities on one another.

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Interviews with the Sikh victims in the media continue to show how well planned this incident was. The victims state that the Police when called ignored the pleas of the Sikhs and said they had no orders to intervene. You would have thought the largely Hindu Police would have opened fire with out hesitation on Muslims. The rioters also had material to set fire to shops already prepared, similar to 1984. The victims also state that this was a conspiracy to set minorities on one another.

Can you post the link? Because the video I saw about eyewitness account blames the Muslim leader for all this.

What do you think ? Was it done by Congress or BJP?

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The Muslim leader is a Congress thug who has been behind wipping up the Muslim community. The BJP was aware of what was happening , but stood on the sidelines. The Police only moved in when the arson was complete. You should be able to pick this up on the Sikh Channel website.

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On twitter the hindu nationalists of HDL / BJP are taking full advantage of the event and siding with the Sikhs they posting alot of pics praising the Sikhs for defending themselves agaisnt the vast number of muslim mobs.... if hindutva forces get involved with Sikhs the muslims stand no chance and will be wiped out in any coming future war

Some have posted pics of a indian police men holding an assault rifle but not aiming or firing at the muslim mobs, had they done so very quickly the crowd would have dispersed.

So there a political games going on,

Who in positions of power ordered the police men not to shoot at the muslim mobs?

Who led the muslim mobs to the Sikh area's?

Who will pay for the damage to Sikh homes and businesses?

We will definitely need a permanently Sikh armed forces like the nihungs in uttar pradesh it would be a good opportunity to exploit this incident and really push into muslim beef belt and take over lands they have occupied.

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Point is not the Hindu role in this. But what was the majboori of a mob of tens of thousands of Indian Muslims who rioted against Sikhs and this after the way SFJ tried to show good will by fighting for Muslim victims of 2002 Gujarat riots which has nothing to do with us. Then During 2002 riots, Sikhs were sending trucks of food for Muslim riot victims. Sikhs need to keep their nose out of other people's business because Indian Muslims will never appreciate any of these good will gestures. We need to read and learn from history instead of learning from practical expereince when we get Dhokha from the people we help

Johnny Veer,

Also think this from this perspective - the land dispute in Saharanpur was on for the past 16 years, why this dispute turned into riots by politicians NOW only when SFJ created a online petition raising voice against a genocide of the Muslim community in India, thus raising some hopes of 2 minorities getting together who have met similar GENOCIDE by the same majority?

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Johnny Veer,

Also think this from this perspective - the land dispute in Saharanpur was on for the past 16 years, why this dispute turned into riots by politicians NOW only when SFJ created a online petition raising voice against a genocide of the Muslim community in India, thus raising some hopes of 2 minorities getting together who have met similar GENOCIDE by the same majority?

The Indian news report I watched earlier today states that the land was never an issue because the gurudwara has held the land for twenty years and has the only paperwork these muslims braying for blood are just gunfodder for the congress cause .

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