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Did Marathas Really Conquered Attock And Peshawer Before Sikhs?

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Indian sources are claiming that Marathas conquered attock and peshawer and even installed governors there. While our sources say that it were sikhs, who were the first non-muslim force from east since mahmud ghaznavi times, who conquered attock fort in 1813 and annexed peshawer to sikh kingdom in 1834. What does sikh sources say about this claim of marathas. I have to ask this question because it is present in every article on internet from indian sources, which are relevant to panipat battle.

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http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73799-sikh-history/?p=603195

The magnitude of fear those foreigners had for the Khalsa was much more than what they had for other Hindu martial races. You will never hear of Afghans putting a price on the head of a Maratha or Rajput. The tales of valor which the Singhs are known for is something those others could not even dream of.

Its not always victory that counts, but how quickly were we able to get back on our feet even after being hit by the worst types of onslaughts. Its not always victory that counts, but how justly/fairly/honestly the Singhs fought their battles.

Lets also not forget the root cause of conflict. For Marathas and Rajputs it was almost always about land and kingdom. For the Sikhs, ever since the times of Guru Sahibaan, it was fighting injustice and tyranny.

We had/have Guru Sahib to lead us, first in His human form and then in His Shabad Guru roop. Who do they have? I am not denying that there have been brave Hindu warriors who fought Mughals/Afghans fiercely and achieved victories. But we have to remember that the Singhs were able to achieve much more than them in much worse circumstances. The Singhs were able to get back on the battlefield much quicker after getting hit. Marathas had their back broken after 3rd battle of Panipat, but the Khalsa was/is resilient and refused to give up. Rajputs even ended up having matrimonial alliances with Mughals to end conflict, Khalsa on the other hand refused any kind of Nawabi offered to them and choose to win it in the battlefield.

Fighting battles is one thing. Winning them is something else. But its our Khalsa standards of integrity and Gurmat ideals of our character that made us outshine everyone else.

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Marathas never invaded alone. It was a tripartite alliance between the Mughals, Marathas and Sikhs that initially drove out the Afghans from Punjab then under the son of Ahmad Shah Abdali. Once the Afghans were driven out, the Marathas gave all power to the Mughals who then marginalized the Sikhs even though Sikhs were equal partners in this alliance. The Mughals began to persecute the Sikhs. Seeing this Marathas never even objected or asked the Mughals to not persecute Sikhs. This is why the Sikhs stayed neutral when Abdali came to fight the Marathas in Panipat. The Marathas never went beyond Indus river. Marathas were a powerful force. At the time they had a vast army led by experienced generals. But they did not follow the ideals of Shivaji. Instead they indulged in loot and rapine which alienated not only the Sikhs but also the Jats and Rajputs

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Marathas never invaded alone. It was a tripartite alliance between the Mughals, Marathas and Sikhs that initially drove out the Afghans from Punjab then under the son of Ahmad Shah Abdali. Once the Afghans were driven out, the Marathas gave all power to the Mughals who then marginalized the Sikhs even though Sikhs were equal partners in this alliance. The Mughals began to persecute the Sikhs. Seeing this Marathas never even objected or asked the Mughals to not persecute Sikhs. This is why the Sikhs stayed neutral when Abdali came to fight the Marathas in Panipat. The Marathas never went beyond Indus river. Marathas were a powerful force. At the time they had a vast army led by experienced generals. But they did not follow the ideals of Shivaji. Instead they indulged in loot and rapine which alienated not only the Sikhs but also the Jats and Rajputs

As far as I know Marathas got to the fringe of Peshawer before Abdali drove them out. They could easily have effaced him at Panipat but their emphasis on fighting pitched battles against numerical foes saw them being slaughtered.

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As far as I know Marathas got to the fringe of Peshawer before Abdali drove them out. They could easily have effaced him at Panipat but their emphasis on fighting pitched battles against numerical foes saw them being slaughtered.

It's one thing beating the Afghans on Indian soil where Afghans were foreigners and away from their homeland, fighting beyond river Indus on home turf of the Afghans was a whole different ball game. How successful they would have been taking on wild tribal Pashtuns on their mountainous land is not easy to say. Perhaps Azaad can write his views on this.

The biggest mistake the Marathas made was to give Punjab to the Mughals instead of the Sikhs. They ignored the rising power of the Sikhs and thought Sikhs were just minor rebels. Had they given Punjab or large portions of Punjab in charge of Sikh Sardars, the entire Sikh nation would have helped them in Panipat. At Panipat the Marathas and Afghans were evenly matched. The Marathas very nearly won but in the end they lost when reserve force of afghans overwhelmed them and subsequently slaughtering every man their sword came across. It was a huge tragedy for the Maratha nation. A great many Maratha women had been captured by the Afghan soldiers who were going to take them to Afghanistan. Ironically it was the Sikhs who liberated those Maratha women, the same Sikhs the Marathas ignored as a minor power when they came to Punjab.

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It's one thing beating the Afghans on Indian soil where Afghans were foreigners and away from their homeland, fighting beyond river Indus on home turf of the Afghans was a whole different ball game. How successful they would have been taking on wild tribal Pashtuns on their mountainous land is not easy to say. Perhaps Azaad can write his views on this.

The biggest mistake the Marathas made was to give Punjab to the Mughals instead of the Sikhs. They ignored the rising power of the Sikhs and thought Sikhs were just minor rebels. Had they given Punjab or large portions of Punjab in charge of Sikh Sardars, the entire Sikh nation would have helped them in Panipat. At Panipat the Marathas and Afghans were evenly matched. The Marathas very nearly won but in the end they lost when reserve force of afghans overwhelmed them and subsequently slaughtering every man their sword came across. It was a huge tragedy for the Maratha nation. A great many Maratha women had been captured by the Afghan soldiers who were going to take them to Afghanistan. Ironically it was the Sikhs who liberated those Maratha women, the same Sikhs the Marathas ignored as a minor power when they came to Punjab.

The Jats pressured the Marathas to adopt the guerrilla of the tactics but unfortunately the main Maratha honchos refused to listen. Thus, at Panipat Abdali's more superior cavalry, artillery and infantry crushed them.

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The Jats pressured the Marathas to adopt the guerrilla of the tactics but unfortunately the main Maratha honchos refused to listen. Thus, at Panipat Abdali's more superior cavalry, artillery and infantry crushed them.

The Jats were good fighters too but they knew their limit. Fighting the Afghans under a leader like Abdali in a direct engagement was no easy task. They tried to explain this to the Marathas, but the Maratha military leaders closed their ears to all sane advise. They were like the Japanese militarists who insisted on attacking pearl harbor and taking on a greater power like the Americans.

But even then the Marathas were initially winning the battle. The Maratha artillery was being led by Gardi Khan whose accurate shots were taking the toll on the Afghans. But the Afghans wore armour which the Marathas didn't and in a hand to hand fight this means a lot. Marathas and Afghans were equally good horsemen. Some say the Afghans had the advantage, some say the Marathas. But truth be told It was an even match.

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The Jats were good fighters too but they knew their limit. Fighting the Afghans under a leader like Abdali in a direct engagement was no easy task. They tried to explain this to the Marathas, but the Maratha military leaders closed their ears to all sane advise. They were like the Japanese militarists who insisted on attacking pearl harbor and taking on a greater power like the Americans.

But even then the Marathas were initially winning the battle. The Maratha artillery was being led by Gardi Khan whose accurate shots were taking the toll on the Afghans. But the Afghans wore armour which the Marathas didn't and in a hand to hand fight this means a lot. Marathas and Afghans were equally good horsemen. Some say the Afghans had the advantage, some say the Marathas. But truth be told It was an even match.

It is said two Maratha components joined Abdali although this is much debated.

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It is said two Maratha components joined Abdali although this is much debated.

Don't know about this, but there was an incident of Afghan prisoners of war who were located behind the Marathas. These Afghan POWs managed to break free and capture some weapons and began killing the Marathas from behind. This caused panic among the Maratha soldiers who thought they were fighting a two front battle.

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Don't know about this, but there was an incident of Afghan prisoners of war who were located behind the Marathas. These Afghan POWs managed to break free and capture some weapons and began killing the Marathas from behind. This caused panic among the Maratha soldiers who thought they were fighting a two front battle.

I have read in some books that they were not prisoners of wars , but two thousands Afghan pindari mercenaries/irregulars who were in the service of vithal shivdev and damaji gaekwar of left flank. On hearing about news of death wishwas rao in the battle, those afghan irregulars discarded their typical brownish yellow headgears and started attacking their own maratha colleagues. It caused great confusion and panic in the already much damaged left flank.

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The Jats were good fighters too but they knew their limit. Fighting the Afghans under a leader like Abdali in a direct engagement was no easy task. They tried to explain this to the Marathas, but the Maratha military leaders closed their ears to all sane advise. They were like the Japanese militarists who insisted on attacking pearl harbor and taking on a greater power like the Americans.

But even then the Marathas were initially winning the battle. The Maratha artillery was being led by Gardi Khan whose accurate shots were taking the toll on the Afghans. But the Afghans wore armour which the Marathas didn't and in a hand to hand fight this means a lot. Marathas and Afghans were equally good horsemen. Some say the Afghans had the advantage, some say the Marathas. But truth be told It was an even match.

Ibrahim gardi, was depicted very different in sanjay khan's great marathas serial, perhaps for political correctness. Actually he made some big blunders and embarrassment. First he charged at the left flank, ahead of the rest of maratha army. His artillary shots were flying above rohillas heads for atleast one hour. He fought bravely but in his boldness, many gardi battalions got wiped out very early on.

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The Jats were good fighters too but they knew their limit. Fighting the Afghans under a leader like Abdali in a direct engagement was no easy task. They tried to explain this to the Marathas, but the Maratha military leaders closed their ears to all sane advise. They were like the Japanese militarists who insisted on attacking pearl harbor and taking on a greater power like the Americans.

But even then the Marathas were initially winning the battle. The Maratha artillery was being led by Gardi Khan whose accurate shots were taking the toll on the Afghans. But the Afghans wore armour which the Marathas didn't and in a hand to hand fight this means a lot. Marathas and Afghans were equally good horsemen. Some say the Afghans had the advantage, some say the Marathas. But truth be told It was an even match.

Ibrahim gardi, was depicted very different in sanjay khan's great marathas serial, perhaps for political correctness. Actually he made some big blunders and embarrassment. First he charged at the left flank, ahead of the rest of maratha army. His artillary shots were flying above rohillas heads for atleast one hour. He fought bravely but in his boldness, many gardi battalions got wiped out very early on.

As far as I know Marathas got to the fringe of Peshawer before Abdali drove them out. They could easily have effaced him at Panipat but their emphasis on fighting pitched battles against numerical foes saw them being slaughtered.

We saw that Abdali struggled against guerralla warfare of sikhs and was quite helpless in dealing with insurgency. But in conventional warfare, he was much more capable and experienced commander than maratha's. He was once commander of elite corps of nadir shah afshar, the napolean of asia and his reserve force, who turned the tides of battle in panipat, were same qizalbash of afsharids.

According to our sources, marathas didnt cross indus and reach peshawer, they reached upto trans-chenab area and extracted tribute and that was one time affair.

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As far as I know Marathas got to the fringe of Peshawer before Abdali drove them out. They could easily have effaced him at Panipat but their emphasis on fighting pitched battles against numerical foes saw them being slaughtered.

Read "Sikhs in the 18th century" by SS Gandhi, who has devoted an entire chapter to the Marhattas, and you will see why the lines you have mentioned above are grossly over-exaggerated.

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Read "Sikhs in the 18th century" by SS Gandhi, who has devoted an entire chapter to the Marhattas, and you will see why the lines you have mentioned above are grossly over-exaggerated.

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