On Bhagat Bani.

[13Mirch]

I recently read a debate regarding the so-called status of Bhagat Ravidass as the Guru of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. This is sheer fallacy in light of certain facts which I have incorporated into this article.

http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.nz/2014/09/the-elephant-in-room-i.html?view=magazine

I don't believe that the Bhagats actually met the Gurus, or all of the Bhagats met the Gurus. I base my assertion on the fact that no substantive chronology of any Bhagat can be established. Other than that, each to his own but Sikhs would do well to remember that the claim, 'all the writings of the Bhagats are in the AGGS,' is extremely exacerbated. There are certain hymns of Bhagat Ravidass, seeing the debate, which are not housed in the AGGS due to their pantheistic content.

[luckysingh99]

Most of the bhagats had other works,

Guruji ONLY included what they found GURMAT.

[GPS]

Only those writings were included in Guru Granth sahib that were in line with Guru sahibans view of sikhism.

Not all of Bhagat Kabir's writings are included in SGGS ji.

[13Mirch]

Only those writings were included in Guru Granth sahib that were in line with Guru sahibans view of sikhism.

Not all of Bhagat Kabir's writings are included in SGGS ji.

It is the same with all Bhagats; so how the myth that the Bhagats were the Gurus' of the Sikh Gurus started is then quite obfuscating.

[luckysingh99]

Where has someone or some source claimed that bhagats were the gurus or teachers of gurus ?

I've never felt this impression coming from anywhere.

[pangaphish]

So, is it possible that Bhagat Ravidass was and remained a Hindu?

That his limited inclusion is an indication of his limited enlightenment?

Dastardhari or otherwise?

[GPS]

So, is it possible that Bhagat Ravidass was and remained a Hindu?

That his limited inclusion is an indication of his limited enlightenment?

Dastardhari or otherwise?

No he was not Hindu. He was worshipper of akal Purakh.

Read his shabads wherein he taunts Brahmins for name calling Bhagat ji

for his low caste.

[13Mirch]

Where has someone or some source claimed that bhagats were the gurus or teachers of gurus ?

I've never felt this impression coming from anywhere

Team Ravidassiya,

So, is it possible that Bhagat Ravidass was and remained a Hindu?

That his limited inclusion is an indication of his limited enlightenment?

Dastardhari or otherwise?

What is Hinduism? And I don't think that Bhagat Ravidass actually wore a dastaar, or if he did he probably wore one associated with the low-castes. For that matter he could have worn a topi.

[luckysingh99]

No he was not Hindu. He was worshipper of akal Purakh.

Read his shabads wherein he taunts Brahmins for name calling Bhagat ji

for his low caste.

Exactly !

This is where us moorakhs go wrong and have to attach the label of family/inherited religion to everyone.

Even Kabirji didn't class himself the same as his master Ramanand; as he spoke against the many blind empty rituals.

He founded a practice of Gurmat that gave him his ultimate realisation, but at the time this gurmat didn't come under any umbrella of current religion.

[luckysingh99]

What is Hinduism? And I don't think that Bhagat Ravidass actually wore a dastaar, or if he did he probably wore one associated with the low-castes. For that matter he could have worn a topi.

OK, I wasn't aware that team ravidassia believe that bhagat was guru of the gurus..........to be honest, .. that is their problem, as we have the current Guru maneyo granth.... that's all I need and the hukam I follow.

I'm not sure about the Topi thing, but you could be correct because I have come across mention of ''seli topi''

I don't know too much about this with regard to history and dastar,.... but I wonder what Guru Nanak wore when he went to Mecaa ?