Why Did Punjab Have Such A Pathetic Military History Before Sikhism

[deepsinghmangat]

Before sikhism punjab did not have any freedom for over 1500 years an was under foreign rule

Punjab was conquered by the huns greeks mauryans aka biharis then by arabs then turks then afghans and persians terrorized the punjab

It was till 1799 that punjab finally came under native rule

Was it cause punjab had no martial culture an most of punjabs castes were not martial aka did not belong to warrior castes

Cause when sikhism came then all of a sudden punjab became a place feared by forieners

If punjab had sikhism born a thousand years earlier is it safe to say that punjab would of bin independent an a military powerhouse that would of gone to stop invaders an then conquere them in their own land conquering the afghans persians an turks

Would the sikh empire or punjab bin as strong as the mongol empire

Today their are 20 million mongals and they are not very martial any more

But when they were martial they conquered china russia japan central asia the afghans the persians the arabs an eastern europeans

They conquered huge

At the peak of mongal empire the world population 300 million with 100 million being under mongals an mongal population was estimated to be at 1 million

Mongals took 100 ppl for each mongal their was out their

Martial culture does have a huge role to play considering your average mongal isn't that big an probably smaller then your average chinese an yet they terrorised china russia an list goes on

[Mehtab Singh]

It was the Amrit blessed by Dasmesh Pita jee.

[SSD]

It was the Amrit blessed by Dasmesh Pita jee.

Perfect answer, Amrit isn't free it originally came with the 5 heads of the Panj Pyare(I understand why Guru Gobind Singh wouldn't want to show 5 men without a head somehow resurrected, sometimes I find the Baba Deep Singh photo too hard to see), also Sikhi is the way that uplifted farmers and other "lower" people to come to their senses. Afghans are still a tough force and without Amrit you can't beat a group like them: even America and Russia failed.

[Jonny101]

Perfect answer, Amrit isn't free it originally came with the 5 heads of the Panj Pyare(I understand why Guru Gobind Singh wouldn't want to show 5 men without a head somehow resurrected, sometimes I find the Baba Deep Singh photo too hard to see), also Sikhi is the way that uplifted farmers and other "lower" people to come to their senses. Afghans are still a tough force and without Amrit you can't beat a group like them: even America and Russia failed.

It is only because of Amrit that Punjabis became independent. Today many people think Sikhs were strong because large numbers of their caste joined the Sikh fold or maybe because large numbers of people from their ilaakaa joined the Sikh fold. But why weren't those same people brave enough to fight Pathans before they became Sikhs? Historically before the rise of the Sikhs, the strongest and most brave Punjabis were not central Punjabis but the Pothoharis of North western Punjab. The Gakhars, Khokhars, Janjuas, Awans, Alpials were the bravest Punjabis who always took on invaders. But ultimately even they were no match for Pathans and other fearless central Asians. Raja Porus who is probably the only well known Punjabi warrior King of pre Sikh era of Punjab was from Pothohar. Most of Pakistani army also recruits from among Pothoharis.

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Our area of central Punjab always quietly submitted to invaders. Invasion after invasion, but no one dared to fight the invaders. But Guru Jee's bani infused such Shakti that our ancestors who otherwise would never dare to raise their voice against invaders were now (after becoming Sikhs) fearlessly roaring Jaikaras. They took the banners of the Khalsa from Attock to Jamuna, and later even beyond the Indus right into the land of the Pathans. Today our people are 25 million but we are now weak. The reason is we no longer take Amrit, don't keep Rehit, Don't do Bhagti. We now follow Manmat ways of this world, Sikhi has taken the back seat in our lives. Making money, following caste system, cutting hair is now more important priorities for the modern Sikh.

Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale realized the reason for our weakness which is why he himself did a lot of Bhagti to prepare himself for Parchar like Sant Attar Singh Mastuane vale did. After that, he did Gurmat Parchar. Countless Sikh youth began keeping Rehit after taking Amrit. Singhs had again become fearless like puraatan times.

[Singh559]

On top of what Mehtab Singh and Johnny101 added there was military might in Punjab when you look far back. Alexander the Great was slain by a Punjabi from the Malhi tribe. This song by Punjabi MC tells a pretty good story of Punjab if you can understand the thick UK accent.

[ghettosikh]

Do you have any sources to prove your claim that Alexander the Great was killed by a punjabi? I have never heard that one before it is said he died from natural causes....

[jkvlondon]

Do you have any sources to prove your claim that Alexander the Great was killed by a punjabi? I have never heard that one before it is said he died from natural causes....

They are not sure what killed him but he took a long time to die about ten days , some possible causes: malaria, poison, mystery illness not killed in battle at all.

[Singh559]

It's said that he received a fatal wound, but the shady part is when he died. At the time I think they didn't associate his death with that wound, but his health declined a lot before he reached home. I think he died a couple weeks later in Iraq. I'm not sure how true this is, but some historians argue this version to be true.

Doesn't really matter who killed him, just showing that Punjab did have a history of martial warfare, but a lot of the military might was fueled by petty tribalism.

[SSD]

It's said that he received a fatal wound, but the shady part is when he died. At the time I think they didn't associate his death with that wound, but his health declined a lot before he reached home. I think he died a couple weeks later in Iraq. I'm not sure how true this is, but some historians argue this version to be true.

Doesn't really matter who killed him, just showing that Punjab did have a history of martial warfare, but a lot of the military might was fueled by petty tribalism.

it's still nothing compared to the power of Amrit and Gurbani.

[ghettosikh]

It could also be that back in those days that the people of Punjab weren't united a lot infighting and what not