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Why Sikhism Failed To Spread After Nearly 500 Years?

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The growth of our young faith was stunted by the severe persecution we faced at the hands of Muslims. Read Tauzke Jahangiri in which Jahangir himself says he did the Shaheedi of Guru Arjun Dev Jee because many Hindus and Muslims were becoming His followers. Sheikh Ahmad Sihindi who is considered a Mujadid Alf e Thani(reviver of Islam of the second millennium) by the Muslims was alarmed at seeing the growth of Sikhi as he has written in his Maktubat or collection of letters. He then conspired to have Guru Arjun Dev Jee become Shaheed through Jahangir.

After Guru Gobind Singh Jee, Sikhs faced genocide after genocide. It was literally a crime to be a Sikh back in those days. Any Sikh who was caught alive was killed immediately through beheading and his head was presented to the Mughal and later the Afghan authorities for reward money. So when Sikhs managed to finally become masters of Punjab despite this horrible persecution, Sikhs were no more than 5% of the entire Punjabi population. During Maharaja Ranjit Singh's era, Sikh faith began to spread, but still Sikhs were a minority within the Sikh state itself because Sikh rulers no longer actively spread Sikhi among the masses as they should have. If they did do parchar then at the very least central Punjab would have become a Sikh majority area.

After Punjab was conquered by the British, again Sikhi began to decline because the newly converted Sikhs who had converted during Sikh Raaj began reverting to their old faiths. During Singh Sabha movement, Sikhi again began to spread all over Punjab and had Singh Sabha movement not faced the stiff opposition from the Arya Samaj movement in Punjab at the time, it is very likely that all Punjabi Hindus would have gravitated towards Sikhi.

also jonny not to forget, that during 1900-1940ish time, sikhi had the highest number of converts and highest birthrate in n.india, its a shame partition happened when it did, coz we were in pretty gud shape then.

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The reason I am asking this is because in that much time for other religions they got so much done. Christianity got Europe; Islam in 500 years got Arabia. Bhudhism in 500 years was very well spread out into southeastern Asia and Japan. So if these religions got so much in 500 years, why have we failed as followers of the highest Guru to even get outside of Punjab? Our Gurus aren't lower than these are other men!

u shud read how zoroastrians (parsis) were expelled from iran, and iran itself was FORCEFULLY conquered TWICE, 1st by arab sunnis, the by shias. South america was conquered and converted by portugese/spanish into christians, hence the old aztecs and the inca people r sumink u read in books now, not people u can meet. If maharaja ranjit singh/sikh misls/banda singh bahadur had done wat all other religious rulers done during their stints as sikh rulers, and converted every1 with the populations, then not 1 single hindu/muslim wud of been seen in 2014 north of delhi and east of the khyber pass & west of tibet! sometimes wen i see sikhs in s.asia as a lost power, it makes me at times, wish ranjit n co. did do it, but that wudnt b the sikhi/gurus way!

that's not true in the time of the mughals the sikh population was approx 120,000 in Vadda and chotta ghalugharey

that was not done by mughals, that was the afghans (nadir shah/abdali), they were hated by mughals.

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As for Sikhi, again, since there is no proselytizing element that manipulates/exploits/forces anyone to give up their faith. Neither did any well known king embrace Sikhi and then accelerate a conversion campaign, nor did any Sikh leader of the past oppress the masses to spread his religion.

exactly, the way maharaja dalip singh was taken away from his empire (forcing him to sign papers), his religion (made into a christian) and made to abondon panjabi/sikh lifestyle by the scummy british, was a typical tactic of foreign invaders, which is shameful to say the least. Also look at how they built that christian church tower near Darbar Sahib, in direct provocational move to prove their rubbish faith is superior to ours. The fact that Darbar Sahib is deliberatly built lower than the city of amritsar, says everyfink bowt Guru's Ramdas/Arjan Devi Jis mentality n humility.

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This is the reason why I have the opinion that Sikhi isn't merely a religion, its way more than just that. It started as a revolution by Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj and was completed as a challenge by Dasmesh Pita Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. The reason our numbers are so small is because the number of people who can come forward and accept a challenge is usually pretty small. In 1699 it was 5 out of 80,000.

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u shud read how zoroastrians (parsis) were expelled from iran, and iran itself was FORCEFULLY conquered TWICE, 1st by arab sunnis, the by shias. South america was conquered and converted by portugese/spanish into christians, hence the old aztecs and the inca people r sumink u read in books now, not people u can meet. If maharaja ranjit singh/sikh misls/banda singh bahadur had done wat all other religious rulers done during their stints as sikh rulers, and converted every1 with the populations, then not 1 single hindu/muslim wud of been seen in 2014 north of delhi and east of the khyber pass & west of tibet! sometimes wen i see sikhs in s.asia as a lost power, it makes me at times, wish ranjit n co. did do it, but that wudnt b the sikhi/gurus way!

that was not done by mughals, that was the afghans (nadir shah/abdali), they were hated by mughals.

I was saying the numbers of sikhs by the end of mughal era were 120,000...samaje bus itne seegee gal

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This is the reason why I have the opinion that Sikhi isn't merely a religion, its way more than just that. It started as a revolution by Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj and was completed as a challenge by Dasmesh Pita Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. The reason our numbers are so small is because the number of people who can come forward and accept a challenge is usually pretty small. In 1699 it was 5 out of 80,000.

Then 35,000 woke up that day including Mughal spies who saw the whole thing and became khalsa ...in his last report there was NO tent. btw for the doubters

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Then 35,000 woke up that day including Mughal spies who saw the whole thing and became khalsa ...in his last report there was NO tent. btw for the doubters

penji i heard in katha from a very good giani ji i forgot, he is a credible source

that it was a huge tent , very costly

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When the world sees Sikhs going crazy on our remembrance day at Harmandir Sahib, what will they think? Where are the modern day role models? I think that the Basics of Sikhi is doing a great job of spreading awareness. We need more of this type of parchar.

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No one with the exception of the Jews faced the kind of persecution the Sikhs faced which would explain why we are both in small numbers. Had Sikhs not faced any persecution since the period of the Gurus, then very likely Sikhi would have spread all over Asia. Islam and Christianity faced very minor persecutions until they managed to spread(usually by force), nothing compared to what the Sikhs had to face who were literally struggling for their very survival. At one point during the 1700s, there was just a few thousand Sikhs left! Still Sikhs managed to come out on top and become rulers of Punjab.

This is actually false. For about 300 years Christians were prosecuted and killed until emporor Constantine became a Christian himself but before that the Christians were being killed left right and centre.

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that's not true in the time of the mughals the sikh population was approx 120,000 in Vadda and chotta ghalugharey the Khalsa population was reduced by 70% remember that is men women and children. We are more than 15 million in India and estimates are around quarter to half million sikhs were killed during the eighties and nineties we can see it is not as drastic but it feels worse because there are so few khalsey at the starting point (5-10% estimates of total sikhs) and those who were killed were predominately amritdhari/keshadhri sikhs

Your looking at percentages relevant to the population of the time. Im looking at the total number. So yes what iv said is true too :)

And what of the hindus during mughal times? Pre 80s 90s? Post 90s?

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u shud read how zoroastrians (parsis) were expelled from iran, and iran itself was FORCEFULLY conquered TWICE, 1st by arab sunnis, the by shias. South america was conquered and converted by portugese/spanish into christians, hence the old aztecs and the inca people r sumink u read in books now, not people u can meet. If maharaja ranjit singh/sikh misls/banda singh bahadur had done wat all other religious rulers done during their stints as sikh rulers, and converted every1 with the populations, then not 1 single hindu/muslim wud of been seen in 2014 north of delhi and east of the khyber pass & west of tibet! sometimes wen i see sikhs in s.asia as a lost power, it makes me at times, wish ranjit n co. did do it, but that wudnt b the sikhi/gurus way!

that was not done by mughals, that was the afghans (nadir shah/abdali), they were hated by mughals.

Bro, read about Lakhpat Rai and Jaspat Rai

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penji i heard in katha from a very good giani ji i forgot, he is a credible source

that it was a huge tent , very costly

Think about it logically ...crowds of 80,000 and a big tent ...where would people be inspired ...why would people run away unless something scary happened , these are war-hardened people , standard response of Indians are to stand and stare (hard). I believe Guru ji took those heads and I believe he made the khalsa whole again in full view else why would the mohameddan spies report the same , no goats , no other room/hidden goings on ... Akal Purakh ne Khalsa sajjeiya apne hathi and that is what changed those hearts who were full of fear and hatred of Gursikhs. Aj kal school in UK thrown scorn on Panj piarey's bheta by saying it was just a trick that goats were sacrificed , my sons were livid hearing this and argued with the RE teacher ...who was an atheist anyways...My Guru ji is not a charlatan, trickster or liar he is Akal Purakh with all the cosmos in its control .

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This is actually false. For about 300 years Christians were prosecuted and killed until emporor Constantine became a Christian himself but before that the Christians were being killed left right and centre.

And what exactly did these Christians do after the Romans relented, they allowed their granth and dharam to be violated with pagan beliefs and propagation of idol worship and then they started doing things the roman way i.e. put people to the sword and conversion....the oppressed became the oppressors again the Jews have done the same

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