Shastar Puja

[savinderpalsingh]

yes it doesnt mean what you stated above

[DelhiTakht]

Your Shastar need animal blood hshaha

You guys are so funny did guru gobind Singh ji ever killed any animal for tilak?? These are so fake story u don't need to ask anyone no Shastar need blood khalsa kirpan chakda jadon kitay stays har hunda oddon Shastar blood mangda

[DelhiTakht]

Why they have to tilk di shastar???

Do the Shastar really need blood of animal???

Animal blood satisfy Shastar I thought satguru guru Gobind Singh ji took sword to protect innocent people against zulam (gau gareeb de rakheya karni)? If the sword really need blood nihang Singh should kill modi or some other criminals instead of innocent animals

My friend's dad started doing Chandi Di Vaar along with his Nitnem. One day after doing the paath while he wad putting the sword back into its myaan his finger got a cut and blood oozed out.

After some months (maybe two) the sword started shaking while he used to do the paath. So, uncle ji did an ardass in front of Chandi that it would be difficult to tilak the Shastar with blood although he would use nariyal's (coconut) water.

So when the Shastar used to shake nariyl's jal was applied.

This does not really mean that nariyal's water can be a goid alternative to blood. Living in a city it was really difficult for him to do jhatka so he did ardass and was ful-filled.

Rest is on the Shardha u have.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

If Shastar need blood, why not Chatka a bunch of Punjab Police or others responsible for killing thousands of Sikhs instead of goats? This concept I have never gotten.

Also, is this Maryada defined in any sort of Rehatnama or Bani (not random historical writing - history also quotes that Maharaja Ranjit Singh and many of his soldiers drank - that is not authority for Sikhs to drink). Practices needs to be somewhat defined by Rehatnamae and Rehatnamae need to pass the test of Gurbani.

[savinderpalsingh]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

If Shastar need blood, why not Chatka a bunch of Punjab Police or others responsible for killing thousands of Sikhs instead of goats? This concept I have never gotten.

Also, is this Maryada defined in any sort of Rehatnama or Bani (not random historical writing - history also quotes that Maharaja Ranjit Singh and many of his soldiers drank - that is not authority for Sikhs to drink). Practices needs to be somewhat defined by Rehatnamae and Rehatnamae need to pass the test of Gurbani.

again no one is forcing you to do so, but we do not question rehatname

maryada te qintu karan di lor ni.

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Baba Ji, Maryada "Pehla To" Bahut Chalia Aa Rahi Aan, Kai Galt Vi Si. There was "Maryada" back in the day for having Moortian in Harmandir Sahib, there was "Maryada" back in the day to have Brahmins doing Sikh weddings too (Maryada here means practices that were ongoing without any Sikhi based support).

It is well documented in Suraj Parkash that the Sikhs would constantly question Guru Sahib on why things are what they are and Guru Sahib would answer the Sikhs. We are not a sheep community - our God given job is to ask.

If we are stuck doing things that have no meaning or application to Sikhi, then we are no better than the others in this world who continue to do things without meaning and Guru Sahib condemned and did parchar against in their lives and continue to do so in Gurbani.

If Taksal is Puratan as Nihung Singhs and have a direct opposition to Jhatka and similar processes, then someone has to ask the questions.

It especially does not help when you see Hindus doing the same Jhatka and Hindus in Nepal anointing their newly made weapons from a recently killed animal. You do realize that this makes us look very close to Hindus, which Sikhism is not?

Sant Hardev Singh gave an example of Sant Jwala Singh Harkhowal - when a Sikh questioned why a coconut was placed in the presence of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he responded that when the Gurgaddi was passed on, it was done so with a coconut and 5 paise, hence the coconut being present. There was reason given and after hearing that, I would fully advocate for any Sikh to place a coconut (and heck, add 5 paise) in the hazoori of Guru Sahib. It would not be an empty ritual.

However, killing an animal for its blood to anoint Shastars does not have such an explanation provided, especially given the context that thousands of goats are slaughtered in the name of Sikhi, when blood could also be exacted in justice from the killers of Sikhs who roam free and are not even on the radar (and some directly complicit with) of those who would perform Chatka. If Chatka was to practice a killing blow, what are you practicing it for all this time and not implementing?

I fully appreciate that if one was to eat meat and did Chatka with Maryada (Chandi Di Vaar and killing blow on the last lines), fine. But why the blood on weapons? What is the reason?

[jeetnijjar]

Your right mr Singh there is no marayada

Did guru gobind Singh ji started I don't think so

App vi dimag use kar lao so called nihang afraid to fight against justice but they have time to kill animals

[savinderpalsingh]

i found this is older archives , good explanation

the chandi in shastar always require blood. Just as Mahachandis unquenchable thirst for rakht

ok now. for all of you that dont know the history maryada about jhatka - im going to educate you.

IT IS NOT HINDU MARYADA.
in training for war whislt practising shastar vidiya, the higher you skill gets, the easer and quiker your killing gets. jhat means quick, and ka means to kill. jhatka - quick kill. now, it is easy to understand that you cannot practise jhatka in a training akhara, otherwise you'll end up killing your training partner. so the nihangs would practise jhatka on bakre. in our nihang maryada, it is believed that evry bakra that is killed through jhatka is reborn as a nihang warrior. this is providing the fact that the bakra is killed with 100% mentallity that it is being killed in seva of the panth. if when the head is severed, the body shakes - it was done wrong. so the singhs would have to practice on the bakra and give it mukti from this joon to become a nihang singh in its next joon.



And the tilak thing is that Shastar are only to be used to take blood. Otherwise they will take blood where and when they want to. Because Shastar are not just weapons, they are the form of Waheguru Ji. As written in Sri Sarbloh Granth Sahib Ji; ‘Mahakaal jagdees hai sarbloh avtar’. Mahakaal is the creator of the universe, and his form is of sarbloh – Shastar. So they put the blood on the Shastar out of respect and maryada as the Shastar are there to take blood.



As is the maryada that you don’t unsheathe your sri sahib for no reason. You only take it out when you have to take someones life. And when you do, you do it with jhatka – one strike kill. If you don’t take it out for that purpose, then the maryada is to slit your thumb slightly so that blood drops, wipe the blade then do your namaskar to the kirpan and put it back into the scabbard.

[DelhiTakht]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

It especially does not help when you see Hindus doing the same Jhatka and Hindus in Nepal anointing their newly made weapons from a recently killed animal. You do realize that this makes us look very close to Hindus, which Sikhism is not?

Sant Hardev Singh gave an example of Sant Jwala Singh Harkhowal - when a Sikh questioned why a coconut was placed in the presence of Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, he responded that when the Gurgaddi was passed on, it was done so with a coconut and 5 paise, hence the coconut being present. There was reason given and after hearing that, I would fully advocate for any Sikh to place a coconut (and heck, add 5 paise) in the hazoori of Guru Sahib. It would not be an empty ritual.

However, killing an animal for its blood to anoint Shastars does not have such an explanation provided, especially given the context that thousands of goats are slaughtered in the name of Sikhi, when blood could also be exacted in justice from the killers of Sikhs who roam free and are not even on the radar (and some directly complicit with) of those who would perform Chatka. If Chatka was to practice a killing blow, what are you practicing it for all this time and not implementing?

I fully appreciate that if one was to eat meat and did Chatka with Maryada (Chandi Di Vaar and killing blow on the last lines), fine. But why the blood on weapons? What is the reason?

Read Episode 66 of PANTH PRAKASH by Shaheed Ratan Singh Bhangu, it might clear things up.

[WarriorSinghUK]

Every time I am cleaning my kirpan or sharpening it, I cut myself somehow or another and not with the kirpan itself. I see it as a sign my shaster want blood so I apply that blood to the kirpan and then rinse off. Shasters are more than just a piece of metal with a sharp edge as most people seem to think.