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It's complete nonsense whoever said don't train with shastar. You will never become proficient in correct usage and unilisation of shastar unless you train with the actual shastars you intend to use. Using substitutes is not the same.

Every shastar is different in terms of material, weight, balance,construction etc. You need to be inimately comfortable with the actual shastar you carry this will only come with training with that shastar.

As long as there is correct respect of shastar there is no issue with training with the shastar you carry.

go and ask any martial artist who trains with edged weapons and bladed weapons, there is no real substitute to training with the actual weapons you intend to use. Yes if your skill level is not proficient to use live blades then use training aids instead.

Find me a reference from a reputable puratan historical text that says that weapons should not be removed from their sheaths for training .. Im willing to bet no such references exist in suraj prakash, panth praksh, Dasam granth or sarbloh granth.

This fairy tale was probably made up by a new age "hippy Sikh"...

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji in 1699 created Khand Di Pahul, he said that his sword needed blood, his blade got a bit bloodier each time and finally when the Kirpan was full with blood, he created Khand Di Pahul di Amrit. Also he brought the Punj Pyare back to life(resurectiom). Also if someone wants to train with shastars, they should most likely get a gun because it's more practical and can fire from a far distance, but I don't know the situation in other countries,(I live in America)
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The khoon part is true, Guru Hargobind always had to Kirpans, one Miri and the other Piri. In one battle, his Miri sword broke, and he decided to fight with his hands and not the sword of Piri. But, understand that shastars are not toys, and if you wish to train with a Kirpan: please train with another one than what your Kakkar is. Would you play with your Keshas,Kangha, Kachera, or Kara? I recommend you buy some of these,(not my shop) http://www.budk.com/mobile/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=category2883

just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

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just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

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just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

I will admit that calling it "playing" was not the best term, I apologize. But did I personally do Nindak of you or anyone else? There is a respectful way to state your opinion rather than being an "internet warrior", I was just stating a fact, I personally believe the Khalsa should train with all the weapons in the world, but let's say your Kirpan for some reason falls to the floor,(it's no longer on you, so technically you would have to be forgiven for that). I also approve of not dropping the Kangha on the floor.
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It's complete nonsense whoever said don't train with shastar. You will never become proficient in correct usage and unilisation of shastar unless you train with the actual shastars you intend to use. Using substitutes is not the same.

Every shastar is different in terms of material, weight, balance,construction etc. You need to be inimately comfortable with the actual shastar you carry this will only come with training with that shastar.

As long as there is correct respect of shastar there is no issue with training with the shastar you carry.

go and ask any martial artist who trains with edged weapons and bladed weapons, there is no real substitute to training with the actual weapons you intend to use. Yes if your skill level is not proficient to use live blades then use training aids instead.

Find me a reference from a reputable puratan historical text that says that weapons should not be removed from their sheaths for training .. Im willing to bet no such references exist in suraj prakash, panth praksh, Dasam granth or sarbloh granth.

This fairy tale was probably made up by a new age "hippy Sikh"...

Have you ever seen Singhs training with their ACTUAL Siri Sahibs? I have not. What else do you need to see. He can train with a similar one. Nothing wrong with training.

To the OP if you're unsure then ask 5 pyare

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I will admit that calling it "playing" was not the best term, I apologize. But did I personally do Nindak of you or anyone else? There is a respectful way to state your opinion rather than being an "internet warrior", I was just stating a fact, I personally believe the Khalsa should train with all the weapons in the world, but let's say your Kirpan for some reason falls to the floor,(it's no longer on you, so technically you would have to be forgiven for that). I also approve of not dropping the Kangha on the floor.

Alright...I apologize for dissing you. That was my bad. But i still disagree with you about not training with your shaster. A person should have a close relationship with their Shastar. If you have never learned how to handle it, how can a close relationship be developed?

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Alright...I apologize for dissing you. That was my bad. But i still disagree with you about not training with your shaster. A person should have a close relationship with their Shastar. If you have never learned how to handle it, how can a close relationship be developed?

We could debate this for a while, but I'll end by saying, "If the Kirpan falls during your training, just how much will it hurt your soul, that a Kakkar is on the floor?" I have personally experienced what it's like for me when one of my Kakkars falls or something, (by accident usually), and it hurts a lot. (DON'T TRY) this is why I personally would recommend other Shastars than your Kakkar. Train with a 3ft Kirpan if you have to, just don't train with the one you plan on wearing all the time, unless it gets bloods. Just my sentiment, you'll know what's right and what's wrong for you.
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WJKK WJKF

I find it somewhat astonishing at some of the opinions I have read.

What a ridiculous notion, how can a sikh train his weaponry without weapons lol? It's like because we hold so much reverence to the shirt Guru Granth Sahib ji, we should not open the angs to take hukam as it's sacrilege lol.

If a Kakhar falls on the floor, you pick it up, simple! There is no 100% sacred place were the Kakhar can fall! At the end of the day, you wear the 5 k's on your body, which is never clean 100%. These are a uniform for the tann and Mann!

The very fact that some Sikhs suggest we should not train with our Kirpan Kakhar and train with another Kirpan demonstrates that many many Sikhs simply wee a ceremonial sword with no knowledge or understanding it's main purpose of creation, death for justice! Every sikh should use their Kirpan, it's not a fashion statement.

For the opinion that Sikhs should better still use guns than swords, every weapon has it's area of use, from far distance weapons, short distance weapons and hand to hand combat.

Wake up sikhs, what is worse than a sikh who can't use his shastar or hands in combat.

If we brought one Mughal soldier from the 16th century to the present and had to fight sikh against Mughal, how many sikh would be capable of taking on this one man? After all, we can't talk him to death about being a meat eater, or a vegetarian or better still a vegan lol? I think the Mughal would probably end up dead via no sword, gun or hand but from laughing, after the state of today's pop belly Sikhs what is left to fear?

To the Sikhs who do train their shakti/bhagti, carry on and be strong brothers and sisters for one day we may need utilise these skills!

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anyone can train with their shastar , but the literal meaning of kirpan means

Kirpa + aan

mercy+ dignity

it is only taken out for that

thats why i guess some people are saying it shouldnt be taken out like that, and yes you ask any bajur here they will say the same in india , no its not a fantasy

you want to train , take a blunt object of similar size to train first
even maharaja ranjit singh's kirpan never was with drawn to fight

it was used as a shield

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