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Should The Patka Be Encouraged Among Sikh Youth Over Dastar?


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well not all Sikh youth can especially those who never wore either patka or dastar

not all youth can do many things ...does that mean we relax requirements until it is no longer considered a requirement to learn?

then why learn Gurmukhi?

then why learn to follow rehit?

then why wear kakkars

then why learn bania?

then why have Amrit?

then why be called a sikh, just call us long haired fools...

My Daughter is six at age five she asked to wear a dastar to school to try it, when I tried to persuade her to tie a patka she looked me in the eye and said no Mum I want a real dastar/keski , from the mouth of babes ...if they can see what is the truth why can't we?

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki FAteh,

NO!!! this is legitimising the very bad til that is occuring in India and elsewhere where our youth are buying off the shelf designer name do-rags and claiming these as legimate dastars ... I was in a plane to India five weeks back and I'm not kidding you I saw only two Dastars out of a contingent of men numbering at least thirty ion the plane the rest were wearing these patkey with baseball caps jammed on top . I was the only dastar wearing female on the plane and I was getting the evil eye from these jokers. I am not kidding it wasn't kids of under 16 but grown men of thirty, forty and older

There is a place for patkey and that is on toddlers to age 10 MAX after that age there is no reason to wear , I used to wear full dastar to school for physical education classes too, patkey were created for MUMs to tie on real kids incapable of doing their own dastars, not teens or grown men. If you are amritdhari the patka cannot be seen to satisfy rehitnama of Guru Gobind Singh ji concerning dastars.

I personally do believe in sport parkas, to prevent sweat when doing intense physical activities, just my view on it.
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I personally do believe in sport parkas, to prevent sweat when doing intense physical activities, just my view on it.

what is a sport patka? one of those NIKE do-rags or actually a smaller dastar material piece? do you tie your jooda at the back as well so you can fit it on? Anyway if you are doing a sport you will sweat so it is mot much of a difference if you wear a sport patka or a smaller dastar ...why not stick to rehitvan appearence?

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what is a sport patka? one of those NIKE do-rags or actually a smaller dastar material piece? do you tie your jooda at the back as well so you can fit it on? Anyway if you are doing a sport you will sweat so it is mot much of a difference if you wear a sport patka or a smaller dastar ...why not stick to rehitvan appearence?

I support the actual smaller Patka, not the Nike headgear. Also my joora isn't changed for certain events. So I would still recommend the smaller Patka because the full Dastar would create more sweat on the Keshas, (personal experience). Also if someone is swimming, I'd recommend the smaller Patka for them also.
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Transiting from a patka to dastar 4 years ago I gotta say a dastaar is better... For sports or what not I just tie a smaller pagh... Works out fine...

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Ahh I thought that would work...

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I just want to say people that there is nothing wrong with encouraging patka among very young Sikhs. Lets look at this before and after back to sikhi pictures regarding the turban, why not have a separate back to sikhi picture gallery of sikh children before and after regarding the patka, it will encourage young Sikhs to chose the path to become full sikhs

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I just want to say people that there is nothing wrong with encouraging patka among very young Sikhs. Lets look at this before and after back to sikhi pictures regarding the turban, why not have a separate back to sikhi picture gallery of sikh children before and after regarding the patka, it will encourage young Sikhs to chose the path to become full sikhs

From experience of bringing up four gursikh children, aunt to four others and cousins to mo-ney and gursikhs alike my observation is that like most things there is an optimum point at which patkey are necessary and effective if one continues beyond that point the kid will choose not to take up dastaar without a struggle due to the inherent laziness built in. If we try to encourage casual dastar tying at home it is easier to convince a child, my daughter loves the look of a dumalla and will insist on me tying that on her it is not a set thing yet but she feels pretty comfortable with wearing one when she grows up. My eldest is seventeen and keeps insisting on tying a patka despite the abundance of resources at home to tie any size any colour dastaar...this is what I meant . The twins are tying dastaar to school themselves they still are loose but the main thing is they are doing it for themselves and are trying to tweak their method to improve the final look.

In my eyes pressure should not be brought to bear on the child too much, but the dastars should be available, ask for fave colours, different material weights/stretch levels, so what may appeal to the child can be tried (turban material is cheap, even I used to let them try my old chunnis as dastars). Aim for a switch to dastaar as soon as possible to avoid resistance to making the special effort of tying and retying a long dastaar .

My other observation is that those kids who want to keep their kesh are very appearence conscious so if you can teach them to tie a beautiful dastar this will give them solid confidence in their new appearence much more so than wearing a patka,often racists pick more on the appearence of a patka than a dastar, maybe because they seem more vulnerable( happened to all my boys). Also I have seen it seems to be easier in the mind of the patka wearer to abandon patka totally and then take the next bad step. ( this was seen in those basketball payers also in people I know)

The ardas is there that my eldest goes to full dastar mode as he really looks the part, Waheguru sare Gursikh nu bharosa daan deho

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