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But especially jatts.

We most certainly are in agreement with that. We also both need to ensure no such thread is ever allowed to open again. If it does, I will wait patiently for you to come and gently knock it down. If you don't appear, rest assured I will do what I did on this one and massacre the claims made on it.

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Massacre another's caste supremacy rants with your own caste supremacy egotistic rants....please don't veer, il definitely be there and try and use gurmat to make a point ether than caste.

Did you read your own words which I quoted? You didn't mention it you see.............wonder why?

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Oi where did i mention i was a jatt? I am not a jatt for ur info! Nor have i promoted "castes" once, especially as i come frm a tribe which is not very numerous amongst sikhs. So take ur crybaby nonsense elsewhere.

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Sorry! Your ancestral tribe may not be numerous among sikhs, but within Sikhs, there are only Sikhs.

But again, sorry bro.

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Brother, unlike you and your open jattism, you assume I am of Bhatra ancestry? Why? Because I know history of the bhagats of gurbani? Lol

Veer ji, please state where I have "bigged up" any caste? While claiming your a jatt sikh yourself lol?

So u have a go n accuse me of being a jatt, purely on daft assumptions, YET, u come at jagsaw with the above reply, coz hes assumed ur a bhatra, n u dont like it?!

Sweardown u couldnt make this up....dear o dear

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Sorry! Your ancestral tribe may not be numerous among sikhs, but within Sikhs, there are only Sikhs.

But again, sorry bro.

Apology accepted

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See I was being nice to you and thought that was the end of that but then you had to go and spoil it all with that comment. :angry2:

First of all, what 'rant' have I gone on ?

Secondly, when have I ever mentioned anything about jatt 'supremecy' ?

WJKK WJKF

Veer, please read your own posts, ask yourself the question and all will be answered.

Like they say to an addict, you first have to admit there's a problem, then you will be able to resolve it.

So u have a go n accuse me of being a jatt, purely on daft assumptions, YET, u come at jagsaw with the above reply, coz hes assumed ur a bhatra, n u dont like it?!

Sweardown u couldnt make this up....dear o dear

Apology accepted

WJKK WJKF

Thank you, I must of misread something you wrote within a previous thread which is obviously my mistake. But I'm glad you accept my apology veer.

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Sikhseeker, I think you hit the nail on the head!

One thing I would like to add is that Bhatras did originate in Punjab. This is why Bhats are to be found in the heart of Punjab till the present day. Not far away places on the outskirts but in the very heart of Punjab. ie Amritsar, Lahore ect.

Bhatra is a collection of Sikhs it is not one race. Hence it contains people from many different clans. That is why when I go to a Bhatra wedding I am still amazed by the many different sikh groups in the Bhatras which can be seen by their surnames. You see Bhats are the ones who brought people to Sikhsim hence the Bhatras are made up of the Sikhs converts from Punjab in the 16th century.

Even if Bhatras originated from Uttar Pradesh only a handful would have entered Punjab. These people then brought many other Sikhs to Sikhism hence how the Bhatra population grew so big.

Bhatra population today is dominated by people who originated in Punjab. But some people would rather believe in old wifes tales.

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Sikhseeker, I think you hit the nail on the head!

One thing I would like to add is that Bhatras did originate in Punjab. This is why Bhats are to be found in the heart of Punjab till the present day. Not far away places on the outskirts but in the very heart of Punjab. ie Amritsar, Lahore ect.

Bhatra is a collection of Sikhs it is not one race. Hence it contains people from many different clans. That is why when I go to a Bhatra wedding I am still amazed by the many different sikh groups in the Bhatras which can be seen by their surnames. You see Bhats are the ones who brought people to Sikhsim hence the Bhatras are made up of the Sikhs converts from Punjab in the 16th century.

Even if Bhatras originated from Uttar Pradesh only a handful would have entered Punjab. These people then brought many other Sikhs to Sikhism to hence how the Bhatra population grew so big.

Bhatra population today is dominated by people who originated in Punjab. But some people would rather believe in tales then the facts.

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Veer ji,

The bhagats of the gurbani called "Bhat de swaiye" originated from Sri Lanka. The original Bhat parchar movement worked its way through India, upto northern India doing parchar of sikhi. This was gurmat, not manmatt. It is the manmatt of man which then attributes caste on this movement. These people were Sikh, with their parchar bringing other people towards sikhi.

Panjab is irrelevant to sikhi. Veer ji, read gurbani, there is no place on this earth where akal purakh does not exist, meaning sikhi has no geographical boundary.

Fact of the matter is, if you continue to believe in Bhatra sikh, the you have to believe in all of the other caste based Sikhs. These so called castes of then preserved due to arrive within them. The only way to realise this falsehood is sikhi, the Amrit and the Khalsa.

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Veer, please read your own posts, ask yourself the question and all will be answered.

You answer it. You can't make accusations than run and hide behind sanctimonious crap.

If you read back at my posts (on any thread) you will see that the only time I mentioned anything that might even be construed to fall within the definition of 'supremacy' is when I mentioned (in the 'caste' and 'marriage' thread) how jatts are, and always have been, inferior to Khatris. If you think that is the same as saying jatts are superior than you either need to do 3 things:

  • apologise
  • purchase a dictionary
  • retract your statements

Either way, you generally need to stop hiding behind sanctimonious crap. You're not a pious sant. We know one when we see one. And it ain't you fella.

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You answer it. You can't make accusations than run and hide behind sanctimonious crap.

If you read back at my posts (on any thread) you will see that the only time I mentioned anything that might even be construed to fall within the definition of 'supremacy' is when I mentioned (in the 'caste' and 'marriage' thread) how jatts are, and always have been, inferior to Khatris. If you think that is the same as saying jatts are superior than you either need to do 3 things:

  • apologise
  • purchase a dictionary
  • retract your statements
Either way, you generally need to stop hiding behind sanctimonious crap. You're not a pious sant. We know one when we see one. And it ain't you fella.
WJKK WJKF

Veer, believe me I'm no sant, more like shataan. I don't hide either but I believe in gurmat, if you wanna call what I have to say as "sanctimonious crap" that's your choice. But do you say that to your Giani at your local gurdwara too?

Also why use "we" in knowing that I'm no sant? Who's "we".....please introduce me atleast veer.....leave what ever pehta you will aswell lol. Preferably cash of any currency. Thank you come again (Apu from the Simpsons)

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if you wanna call what I have to say as "sanctimonious crap" that's your choice.

Its nothing to do with 'choice'. "Like they say to an addict, you first have to admit there's a problem, then you will be able to resolve it." is sanctimonious crap no matter which way you look at it.

But do you say that to your Giani at your local gurdwara too?

Are you a gyani ? Or do you just think you're a gyani ?

If neither, how does a gyani even come into this conversation ?

On second thoughts, leave it Sikhiseeker. We found some common ground before and agreed the thread needs to close. Lets end it on that positive.

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