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Agreed Veer ji but a couple of vids he was slightly nasal that was as close as it got to ambarsar (???) but I maintain that he only ever says Amritsar .

I got to tell you nobody in my Nanakey, Dadakey or allied houses to my family have ever said Ambarsar ...that's why I originally asked . Plain lazy ... like 'Sas re kaal ' instead of Sat Sri Akaaalllll !!! why are people murdering our Maa Boli (face palm)

Another good point. Look at how our Punjabi people have butchered our greetings like how they did it with Amritsar. Instead of saying Sat Sri Akaal, they say Sasrikaal and instead of saying Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh, they say Vai Khalsa Vai Fateh.

These are Gurmukhi words which should not have been changed. They should be preserved in their original form and passed on to the next generation

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Another good point. Look at how our Punjabi people have butchered our greetings like how they did it with Amritsar. Instead of saying Sat Sri Akaal, they say Sasrikaal and instead of saying Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji ki Fateh, they say Vai Khalsa Vai Fateh.

These are Gurmukhi words which have been changed. They should be preserved in their original form and passed on to the next generation

Agreed it is so pitiful when kids cannot even pronounce their first names correctly e.g. Karam SIngh becomes Kiram Singh Fatehbir Singh (beautiful) becomes Fthbeerd Sin , it kills me so I just have to ask how they spell then it 'OH you mean FATEH BIR SINGGHH' .

Names get sliced up also either that or the poor kid gets saddled with a nonsense 'modern' name like Oceanpreet Singh (aha ji kya baat hai) Sonali Kiran Kaur (a cousin) of course she's doomed to think more like a hindu.

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Agreed it is so pitiful when kids cannot even pronounce their first names correctly e.g. Karam SIngh becomes Kiram Singh Fatehbir Singh (beautiful) becomes Fthbeerd Sin , it kills me so I just have to ask how they spell then it 'OH you mean FATEH BIR SINGGHH' .

Names get sliced up also either that or the poor kid gets saddled with a nonsense 'modern' name like Oceanpreet Singh (aha ji kya baat hai) Sonali Kiran Kaur (a cousin) of course she's doomed to think more like a hindu.

Another great point which needs to be addressed. Just look at our our people have butchered names of our Shaheeds.

The name of our Sahibzada Zoravar Singh jee has been mispronounced by God knows how many people and they don't even know it. Instead of saying ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ(Zoraavar) they all say ਜੋਰਾਵਾਰ(Joravaar)

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Another name that has been mispronounced by Punjabis is that of Shaheed Gen Shabeg Singh Jee. Instead of saying Shabeg(ਸ਼ਾਬੇਗ) they all pronounce it as Subeg(ਸੁਬੇਗ)

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Another great point which needs to be addressed. Just look at our our people have butchered names of our Shaheeds.

The name of our Sahibzada Zoravar Singh jee has been mispronounced by God knows how may people and they don't even know it. Instead of saying ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ(Zoraavar) they all say ਜੋਰਾਵਾਰ(Joravaar)

Veer ji

is it me or do some gutkey publishers miss out bindia from Jaap Sahib e.g. Razak should be jaja pair bindi not plain old jaja ...

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The name of our Sahibzada Zoravar Singh jee has been mispronounced by God knows how many people and they don't even know it. Instead of saying ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ(Zoraavar) they all say ਜੋਰਾਵਾਰ(Joravaar)

This was from the early days of Sikhism where names (and names for things) from Iran were extremely popular. As its a common Iranian first name, and nations that are satellites of Iranian culture such as Armenia, the Persian pronounciation of it was never going to be exact for the Punjabi tongue in which the letter 'z' does not exist in everyday colloqial speech. Thus, in Punjabi, this persian name was always pronounced with a J.

Names get sliced up also either that or the poor kid gets saddled with a nonsense 'modern' name like Oceanpreet Singh (aha ji kya baat hai) Sonali Kiran Kaur (a cousin) of course she's doomed to think more like a hindu.

When you say 'nonsense modern' naming you mean in the same way that Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale was named after a French army rank ?

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This was from the early days of Sikhism where names (and names for things) from Iran were extremely popular. As its a common Iranian first name, and nations that are satellites of Iranian culture such as Armenia, the Persian pronounciation of it was never going to be exact for the Punjabi tongue in which the letter 'z' does not exist in everyday colloqial speech. Thus, in Punjabi, this persian name was always pronounced with a J.

When you say 'nonsense modern' naming you mean in the same way that Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale was named after a French army rank ?

Nah i meant what I said

if we following traditional way of reading names it is SIngh or Kaur belonging to / having the Attribute of /or who is (FIRST NAME)

you can still use Jarnail and Major but 'Singh of the love of the ocean/ who loves the Ocean ' isn't exactly inspiring any aspect of sikhi or an aspect of the personality that can help with becoming a better human .

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Nah i meant what I said

if we following traditional way of reading names it is SIngh or Kaur belonging to / having the Attribute of /or who is (FIRST NAME)

you can still use Jarnail and Major but 'Singh of the love of the ocean/ who loves the Ocean ' isn't exactly inspiring any aspect of sikhi or an aspect of the personality that can help with becoming a better human .

I would disagree. My assertion is that if you look at our history the message is that we shouldn't place too much empasis on mere 'names' as it just becomes another ritual. Just look at our entire history as sikhs. The earliest Sikhs favoured Iranian names.....The next lot of Sikhs favoured French army names....Then Indian names were in vogue....and now many English names.

In the bigger scheme of things its not a big deal. Our Sikh forefathers wern't too bothered about it so why are we ?

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I would disagree. My assertion is that if you look at our history the message is that we shouldn't place too much empasis on mere 'names' as it just becomes another ritual. Just look at our entire history as sikhs. The earliest Sikhs favoured Iranian names.....The next lot of Sikhs favoured French army names....Then Indian names were in vogue....and now many English names.

In the bigger scheme of things its not a big deal. Our Sikh forefathers wern't too bothered about it so why are we ?

If mahapurakhs said that the name is to be considered carefully as this sets the tone of the life , then who am I to argue ?

I mean calling a girl Maya Kaur what would be the asar of such a name ? being called by that name , identifying yourself with that name on a subconcious level as opposed to being called Gurmukh Kaur ?

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It's a big deal because our forefathers were much more committed to Sikhi as compared to us. All children had Singh and Kaur as their last names and tail names and tribal last names were very rarely used and looked down on.

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This was from the early days of Sikhism where names (and names for things) from Iran were extremely popular. As its a common Iranian first name, and nations that are satellites of Iranian culture such as Armenia, the Persian pronounciation of it was never going to be exact for the Punjabi tongue in which the letter 'z' does not exist in everyday colloqial speech. Thus, in Punjabi, this persian name was always pronounced with a J.

It's not just the j and z sound in the name. Most Punjabi people also unnecessarily add kanna after the vava. So instead of it saying ਜ਼ੋਰਾਵਰ(Zoraavar) they all say ਜੋਰਾਵਾਰ(Joravaar)

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It's a big deal because our forefathers were much more committed to Sikhi as compared to us. All children had Singh and Kaur as their last names and tail names and tribal last names were very rarely used and looked down on.

I agree that persian influence was there my great great grand father was called Wazir Singh

My Barzurg and Mum and Dad always were very vocal about staying with Gursikh names and that lesson stayed with me

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WJKK WJKF

I find that the words "sabad" and "sahib" are mispronounced wrongly by many people when reading gurbani. Many people pronounce them as "Shabad" and "sebh". I was too a guilty party of this, until I started reading Gurmukhi. Hence why our gurus told us all to learn it. So glad I did!

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i might be abit off but do you guys think tht there could be a possibility of a new punjabi dialect being made based on the punjabi diaspora after a few generations like a dialect with lots of english influence kind of like "spanglish" in america where its pretty much a mix of english and spanish? Or is that a bit to fat fetched

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i might be abit off but do you guys think tht there could be a possibility of a new punjabi dialect being made based on the punjabi diaspora after a few generations like a dialect with lots of english influence kind of like "spanglish" in america where its pretty much a mix of english and spanish? Or is that a bit to fat fetched

Its very real. Not so much in terms of Punjabi though but certainly when it comes to English. You can tell that from this current generation of Sikhs born in Canada and UK cities. If those Sikhs live in white areas than its not so noticeable but if they live in London, Brampton, Birmingham or Vancouver than they almost definately talk in a poorer standard of English than their parents did (if they were also born there). I'm not talking about slang here, I'm talking about not being able to pronounce words correctly, instead pronouncing them with an 'Indian' accent.

When it comes to Punjabi however, I see us overseas Sikhs as the guardians and safeguarders of the language. It is we who are keeping the dialects and unusual words going. For example, whenever I go back to Punjab, I say certain words and everyday says "wow....we haven't heard that word since our grandfather used to say it".

You see, this is not unusual, as the world witnessed the same thing with the English language once America and Canada started to be colonised. The Americans took with them from England English as it used to be spoken in Shakespeare's time. We here in England, like they are doing in Punjab, started to change the language and incorporate new words from foreign languages but the Americans stayed true to the language as it was and safeguarded it (btw I'm not referring to Noah Webster's silly spellings of things). For example we here in England used to call trousers 'pants'....we used to call autumn 'fall'...we used to say words like 'gotten'....even the word 'zee' was at one point used by parts of England as the last letter of the alphabet. In the same way, we the Punjabi diaspora, are safeguarding Punjabi, it's words and it's correct pronounciation.

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