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You wern't clever enough to understand why I chose you as an example my friend.

Its because of what you said in your previous message. You said:

"I have got nothing against having a few drinks on Christmas and having some turkey. But there is a limit that we should not cross no pun intended.

and that red line is putting up trees"

So let me just get this straight, you think getting drunk and consuming the flesh of god's creatures are good, but those lovely trees are EVIL!! ?

Do you see now why I used you as an example ?

Remind us again why your'e a moral authority Sikh females should aspire to follow ?

Well Sikhseeker this is what I mean by putting things into context. When we here in England join in with the festivities is because we're part of this society where almost everybody is in it for the jollyness and almost nobody is in it for the 'Christian' aspect. Its simply an extension of ourselves as part of society.

However, if someone in Punjab does it, where it most definately is NOT part of the culture of society, than you know it takes on a purely religious role...i.e Christianity.

Horses for courses my friend. For example, my brothers in Punjab, if they need to do a number 2, simply drop their pants on the roadside (rural) and do it. And thats perfectly OK. But does that mean its OK for us to do that here in Tooting, Tipton and Teddington too ?

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Veer ji, I was waiting for you reply, or is it a "no comment " again?

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Veer ji, I was waiting for you reply, or is it a "no comment " again?

Yes and No.

Yes its a no comment but No its not "again" because my problem here is obviously the fact that I reply a bit too much to the numerous questions and points thrown my way rather than the other way around. A good example is that thread about the first gurdwara / udham singh. I had too many answers for everything and as soon as I posted the evidence that the others said didn't exist the admins deleted the thread.

I've learnt my lesson from that one. The admin / mods here like a certain viewpoint.....The minute they see an alternative viewpoint getting popular or winning the argument they jump in and put a stop to it. For that reason, I've said all that needs to be said already on this thread. Its best I say no more.

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Yes and No.

Yes its a no comment but No its not "again" because my problem here is obviously the fact that I reply a bit too much to the numerous questions and points thrown my way rather than the other way around. A good example is that thread about the first gurdwara / udham singh. I had too many answers for everything and as soon as I posted the evidence that the others said didn't exist the admins deleted the thread.

I've learnt my lesson from that one. The admin / mods here like a certain viewpoint.....The minute they see an alternative viewpoint getting popular or winning the argument they jump in and put a stop to it. For that reason, I've said all that needs to be said already on this thread. Its best I say no more.

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100% agree with you on the moderation of this site. But I'm not arguing with you brother, simply debating a difference of opinion, maybe I will come round to your view on a particular topic or you to mine, however I'm not here to win or lose, just converse with sangam. Also you should finish what you have to say, whether mods do clear the topic or not. As what's the point of all us posting to one another in the end.

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Christmas trees have nothing to do with the religious side of Christmas. It is only a decoration.
We give and receive Christmas cards. These things will not make me a Christian.
I want my lad to take part in the seasonal celebrations.
It's a free world...no one should be looked down on if they choose to be more multicultural than others.

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Christmas trees have nothing to do with the religious side of Christmas. It is only a decoration.

We give and receive Christmas cards. These things will not make me a Christian.

I want my lad to take part in the seasonal celebrations.

It's a free world...no one should be looked down on if they choose to be more multicultural than others.

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That's absolutely fine on a personal level, however within the context of being an amritdhari Khalsa sikh of Shiri Guru Gobind Singh it's not.

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Christmas trees have nothing to do with the religious side of Christmas. It is only a decoration.

We give and receive Christmas cards. These things will not make me a Christian.

I want my lad to take part in the seasonal celebrations.

It's a free world...no one should be looked down on if they choose to be more multicultural than others.

You are 200% right about this is a "free" world. Maybe you missed it. But your Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji said not to participate in Holi and instead started the Holla Mohalla. An example of not to celebrate Christmas.

Christmas trees are a creation of pagans. when the pagans became Christians they still followed their old beliefs of worshipping trees and introduced tree worship into Christianity. The Christmas tree is a religious symbol thought to be a cultural thing. You are not being more multicultural and no more than the dude taken a hit of various drugs and telling others they need to relax more in life and chill out.

Gifts under the tree are a blend of paganism and Christianity. Saint Nicholas started the gift giving idea and the pagans brought the tree to be worshipped in various forms. One way is through putting gifts underneath it and then retrieving them on a later date as the tree is making an offering to the receiver. Saint Nicholas better known as Santa Claus today is the one who provides these gifts to all through the tree.

If you were in india right now would you partake in the up coming Holi and call it multiculturalism?

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You are 200% right about this is a "free" world. Maybe you missed it. But your Guru, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji said not to participate in Holi and instead started the Holla Mohalla. An example of not to celebrate Christmas

It is incredibly cretinous to bring 'holi' into any conversation about xmas trees.

Holi is a crass, obscene and ribald carnival of immorality. No person of any moral fibre, whether religious or not, would partake in it. Its origins are obviously the commeration of krishna's orgy conquests of the cow-girls but the way it is commemerated is almost as disgusting as the thing that is being commemorated itself :Drugged-up mental mayhem.

They way some of you here are continously equating this despicable 'festival' with the practice of our children being jolly and happy by opening their little presents and having a little xmas tree demonstrates very well, I think how many of you have lost your way in a very very sad and surprising way.

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It is incredibly cretinous to bring 'holi' into any conversation about xmas trees.

Holi is a crass, obscene and ribald carnival of immorality. No person of any moral fibre, whether religious or not, would partake in it. Its origins are obviously the commeration of krishna's orgy conquests of the cow-girls but the way it is commemerated is almost as disgusting as the thing that is being commemorated itself :Drugged-up mental mayhem.

They way some of you here are continously equating this despicable 'festival' with the practice of our children being jolly and happy by opening their little presents and having a little xmas tree demonstrates very well, I think how many of you have lost your way in a very very sad and surprising way.

WJKK WJKF

You refrain from answering specific posts directed specifically to you in regards to your opinion of how you think any sikh opposed to the celebration of Christmas within a sikh household is manmatt having "lost their way".

You refuse to comment as you think the mods will delete your post or indeed the whole thread as you thing you have something to say which will "win the argument"?

Why after not answering the questions I asked you, twice, to which you have stated that you will not comment again on this topic TWICE, would you now post your opinion, AGAIN LOL!?

If your back posting on this topic, refer back to my post directly to you and please respond.

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It is incredibly cretinous to bring 'holi' into any conversation about xmas trees.

Holi is a crass, obscene and ribald carnival of immorality. No person of any moral fibre, whether religious or not, would partake in it. Its origins are obviously the commeration of krishna's orgy conquests of the cow-girls but the way it is commemerated is almost as disgusting as the thing that is being commemorated itself :Drugged-up mental mayhem.

They way some of you here are continously equating this despicable 'festival' with the practice of our children being jolly and happy by opening their little presents and having a little xmas tree demonstrates very well, I think how many of you have lost your way in a very very sad and surprising way.

Holi is not celebrated because of this. Learn your history.

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Holi is not celebrated because of this. Learn your history.

You learn your history.

I got a funny feeling you might be one of those that takes his 'facts' from wikipedia so might well come back again quoting some lovely wholesome family-friendly story about the moon etc. You'd be wrong to do so but that is the limit of your knowledge of 'history' isn't it my friend ?

You refrain from answering specific posts directed specifically to you in regards to your opinion of how you think any sikh opposed to the celebration of Christmas within a sikh household is manmatt having "lost their way".

No Sikhseeker, you're obviously having problems reading what I've written in the English language. I clearly stated that those who keep equating this lovely jolly time for our children to open up their presents and have a little tree with the disgusting ribald festival of 'holi' have clearly "lost their way".

Why after not answering the questions I asked you, twice, to which you have stated that you will not comment again on this topic TWICE, would you now post your opinion, AGAIN LOL!?

If I remember correctly Sikseeker, you asked if it was then ok for Sikhs in Punjab to have xmas trees and I clearly gave you an answer , i.e the 'horses for courses' answer.

Was the answer so good that you'd like it repeated a second time ?

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