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Why do you sometimes wear western jeans ? They're something that have nothing to do withour forefathers. If they look nice, why do you take them off ? Why not keep them on all the time ?

Just like jeans have no meaning to you, your family or your heritage. Just like the jeans, the trees are harmless but why the hypocricy about which western traditions you wish to partake in and which you don't ?

Wallpaper ?

Clocks ?

Carpet ?

Is there no limit to the things you disaprove of because they have no relevance tour heritage or is it something you have personally against harmless trees ?

I pity the children of many of the members here. The holiday season is not about you....its not for you. Its for the children to join in and have fun. Thats what being a child is all about. As I said before, apart from some of you here nobody in the developed world associates the holiday season with Jesus and Christianity.

I spent my wholelife dismissing intolerant Muslims for refusing to integrate...refusing to let their children be productive members of the society they live in. Never in a million years did I imagine that a new generation of young adult Sikhs would be of the same ilk. Disappointing to say the least.

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Veer ji, the Rehat Maryada states that a sikh has no restriction on clothes, other than obviously the panj kakkar. I don't see how wearing jeans or living in a house with carpets has anything to do with celebrating a Christian religious festival. Do you think Sikhs should live in the caves or jungles restricted themselves from all modern/western customs which have nothing to do with religion?

Children should have fun, but on vaisakhi, hola mohalla, Bandi chor and the diwas of our gurus and Mahaan shaheed.....not Christmas.

Also, no apology?

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Last year we had a very robust discussion here about the hollowness of some Sikhs who put Christmas trees in their houses. Lot of us learnt from that discussion and agreed to stop following this

Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji celebrated Vaisakhi, but in a Gurmat way of blessing Sikhs with 5 Kakkars and Punj Pyare. The Sixth Guru took Diwali and celebrated it in a Gurmat way of going to the Gurdw

WJKK WJKF It's funny how people will justify themselves celebrating Christmas with so many endless reasons. Fact of the matter is whether or not the tree is pagan or a Christian symbol, if you live i

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Apparently the powers that be here have decided that putting the clock back half a century and deciding the whole world associates christmas with Jesus and Christianity must be the final word.

End of conversation. Hot thread turned stone cold dead in an instant. A masterclass in discussion forum management. :blink2:

Please my brothers and sisters. Please do not address any more points and questions towards me. If I'm not allowed to reply and answer than you'll just be wasting your own valuable time.

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Question - do the anti Christmas tree jatha aka let's ruin Christmas for my putt cos I'm too tight to buy presents, also disagree with Christmas cards?

As I presume you don't buy cards for your kids to give to their friends but how do you explain to them it's manmatt to accept cards your school friends have given you? Don't even accept them and just throw them back in their faces as it is forbidden, cos you will have issues when you grow up, as your faith in Sikhi will be corrupted.

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Question - do the anti Christmas tree jatha aka let's ruin Christmas for my putt cos I'm too tight to buy presents, also disagree with Christmas cards?

As I presume you don't buy cards for your kids to give to their friends but how do you explain to them it's manmatt to accept cards your school friends have given you? Don't even accept them and just throw them back in their faces as it is forbidden, cos you will have issues when you grow up, as your faith in Sikhi will be corrupted.

Sad to hear about your tightness and habit of buying Christmas gifts for your putt.

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Sad to hear about your tightness and habit of buying Christmas gifts for your putt.

Sorry, but I had difficultly interpreting that? So To clarify I am being tight by buying present for my kids? I know in New Zealand they speak English, so makes no sense? Also is that the only thing You could pick up and comment on?

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So j Singh do you have children!

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So Sikhs in western countries celebrating Christmas is only done because of Children? so should Sikh parents who live in overwhelmingly Hindu majority areas of India like UP/Bihar etc, should they start celebrating Janamastmi and Navratri and other Hindu holidays because they dont want their children to be left out? or Sikhs in Islamic countries should start celebrating Eid or even Mawlid because they don't want their kids to be left out of the celebrations of Muslims? No wonder so many of our kids in the west grow up confused and end up marrying non Sikhs.

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Question - do the anti Christmas tree jatha aka let's ruin Christmas for my putt cos I'm too tight to buy presents, also disagree with Christmas cards?

As I presume you don't buy cards for your kids to give to their friends but how do you explain to them it's manmatt to accept cards your school friends have given you? Don't even accept them and just throw them back in their faces as it is forbidden, cos you will have issues when you grow up, as your faith in Sikhi will be corrupted.

There is an extent to which it is appropriate to take part in any celebration. However, that doesn't mean we ourselves take on board those very traditions.

I would like to ask all those who put up Christmas trees etc. How many of them teach their children about the ithihaas of the Sahibzade, as there shaheedian are around that time? How many of them have made the effort to listen to the ithihaasic katha?

I know that Sikh2Inspire have done lareevaar katha of Suraj Prakash Granth for both Saka Sarhind and Chamkaur translated in to English. Very detailed, very moving, very inspiring.

Please make an effort to listen to it this year, no excuses.

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Why do you sometimes wear western jeans ? They're something that have nothing to do withour forefathers. If they look nice, why do you take them off ? Why not keep them on all the time ? Just like jeans have no meaning to you, your family or your heritage. Just like the jeans, the trees are harmless but why the hypocricy about which western traditions you wish to partake in and which you don't ? Wallpaper ?Clocks ?Carpet ?Is there no limit to the things you disaprove of because they have no relevance tour heritage or is it something you have personally against harmless trees ? I pity the children of many of the members here. The holiday season is not about you....its not for you. Its for the children to join in and have fun. Thats what being a child is all about. As I said before, apart from some of you here nobody in the developed world associates the holiday season with Jesus and Christianity.I spent my wholelife dismissing intolerant Muslims for refusing to integrate...refusing to let their children be productive members of the society they live in. Never in a million years did I imagine that a new generation of young adult Sikhs would be of the same ilk. Disappointing to say the least.

Why do you sometimes wear western jeans ? They're something that have nothing to do withour forefathers. If they look nice, why do you take them off ? Why not keep them on all the time ? Just like jeans have no meaning to you, your family or your heritage. Just like the jeans, the trees are harmless but why the hypocricy about which western traditions you wish to partake in and which you don't ? Wallpaper ?Clocks ?Carpet ?Is there no limit to the things you disaprove of because they have no relevance tour heritage or is it something you have personally against harmless trees ? I pity the children of many of the members here. The holiday season is not about you....its not for you. Its for the children to join in and have fun. Thats what being a child is all about. As I said before, apart from some of you here nobody in the developed world associates the holiday season with Jesus and Christianity.I spent my wholelife dismissing intolerant Muslims for refusing to integrate...refusing to let their children be productive members of the society they live in. Never in a million years did I imagine that a new generation of young adult Sikhs would be of the same ilk. Disappointing to say the least.

I do wear jeans as they serve a purpose by keeping my legs warm and I don't wear them for fashion nor do I wear them for the sole purpose that they look nice. Carpets keep the house warm. Clocks tell us the time. But whats the purpose in putting a plastic or cut down tree in your living room? Is this your way of intergrating? If you lived in India would you intergrate with Hindu's in India by throwing water up in the sky? Sikhs are just blindly following the ritual of putting up a christmas tree.

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There is an extent to which it is appropriate to take part in any celebration. However, that doesn't mean we ourselves take on board those very traditions.

I would like to ask all those who put up Christmas trees etc. How many of them teach their children about the ithihaas of the Sahibzade, as there shaheedian are around that time? How many of them have made the effort to listen to the ithihaasic katha?

I know that Sikh2Inspire have done lareevaar katha of Suraj Prakash Granth for both Saka Sarhind and Chamkaur translated in to English. Very detailed, very moving, very inspiring.

Please make an effort to listen to it this year, no excuses.

in my situation i have had to be very very aware of the subtle undermining of my kids Sikhi and bibek buddhi by my in-laws so i have informed them of what their dadakey believe but also more importantly emphasised OUR beliefs as SIkhs and why we think this way , I keep dialogue non-judgemental for kids, so they feel no pressure to not ask questions if they have any. So far with Waheguru's kirpa they have steady bharosa in SIkhi and can see that it makes more sense and develops their good qualities much more than anything their Dadakey say they follow. SO ...they want to know more about SIkhi as they can see what they don't want to become (empty resams and no true compassion).

They love to hear about their elders ...so this year we will sit together and listen and talk about the wonder that is sikhi.

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Most western and punjabi desi celebrate christmas - tree, gifts, food donations, kids fun-santa from western cultural perspective hardly relate the event to christ..sure punjabi who celebrate christmas with great holiday spirit, need to be informed about our sikh heritage- events during that time and they need to be encouraged observe sikh events with same spirit and not getting carried away easily in social aspect in their life ignoring the other main- religious and spiritual.


With that being said, there is no real conflict as such i m not sure why this is turning into about choices- pick one either this or that. Why not have both? Sikhi is about fine equilibrium in all aspects of life- social, religious, spiritual and not having to pick one over the other and vice versa as in this case these events are different aspects of one life- in social structure- one is xmas holiday cultural aspects-tree, gifts, santa, dinner and other one is religious/spiritual aspect of one life. They are not meant to be mixed, conflict, adapt this, reject that, they are simply different aspects of life -social, religious and spiritual.


I don't think celebrating christmas/holiday spirit ie- tree, gifts, food donations to less fortunate kids , kids fun- santa is mutually exclusive with sikh events but surely can be turned against if caution is not paid by individual or understood as different aspects of life.


We are doing something different this year..we won't have christmas tree- never did for past 2 years but will be going to relatives/sister house - xmas dinner for holiday festivities. They going to be have tree, gifts, dinner, funny santa for kids..and i have absolutely have no problem with it or them but i will casually will do remind them on upcoming char sahibzadas shahidi purb and sri guru gobind singh ji gupurb. we are going to celebrate sri guru gobind singh ji gurpurb at the house on dec 28th, will be reflecting on sri guru gobind singh ji gurpurb and char sahibzadas memory on 25 or 26th..I personally don't think its a sad event but rather an equilibrium moment as char sahibzadas were eternal- never took birth nor died but rather transcedented their temporary five element body.

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