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What a joke of an answer N30SINGH.

The whole point of this thread to make Sikhs aware that Christmas is not for us but you want it both ways. No wonder why Sikhs are so confused today because they want to please all.

Sikhs aren't stupid, and Jesus wasn't actually born on December 25th,
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WJKK WJKF It's funny how people will justify themselves celebrating Christmas with so many endless reasons. Fact of the matter is whether or not the tree is pagan or a Christian symbol, if you live i

Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji celebrated Vaisakhi, but in a Gurmat way of blessing Sikhs with 5 Kakkars and Punj Pyare. The Sixth Guru took Diwali and celebrated it in a Gurmat way of going to the Gurdw

Last year we had a very robust discussion here about the hollowness of some Sikhs who put Christmas trees in their houses. Lot of us learnt from that discussion and agreed to stop following this

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So Sikhs in western countries celebrating Christmas is only done because of Children? so should Sikh parents who live in overwhelmingly Hindu majority areas of India like UP/Bihar etc, should they start celebrating Janamastmi and Navratri and other Hindu holidays because they dont want their children to be left out? or Sikhs in Islamic countries should start celebrating Eid or even Mawlid because they don't want their kids to be left out of the celebrations of Muslims? No wonder so many of our kids in the west grow up confused and end up marrying non Sikhs.

No I never said that, I referred to it as the discussion highlighted the connection and so therefore I commented on it.

Now be honest how many of you guys celebrate New Year on Jan 1st? Like will many of you see the new year in at Gurdwara Sahib? I think many members here do but I expect to hear no we don't, we don't go to Gurughar on 31st and see in 1st Jan and celebrate the new year as it will confuse my kids to celebrate something which has its origins in another faith. Those that do will marry a non Sikh. Also at this time of year due to all the sacrifices our shaheeds made we shouldn't.

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So Sikhs in western countries celebrating Christmas is only done because of Children? so should Sikh parents who live in overwhelmingly Hindu majority areas of India like UP/Bihar etc, should they start celebrating Janamastmi and Navratri and other Hindu holidays because they dont want their children to be left out? or Sikhs in Islamic countries should start celebrating Eid or even Mawlid because they don't want their kids to be left out of the celebrations of Muslims? No wonder so many of our kids in the west grow up confused and end up marrying non Sikhs.

Paaji, you have a habit of reading a post taking it out of context and then putting your own spin on it and start asking random questions.

Please oh please answer this I have asked many times but everyone just ignores my question which is - we celebrate Bandi Chor Divas for 6th patshah good deeds in realising political prisoners from Gwalior. But why did Guru Amar Dass Ji state Sikhs should gather twice a year At Diwali and Vaisakhi, again which we now celebrate due to 10th patshah and 1699. what was the reason then?

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Paaji, you have a habit of reading a post taking it out of context and then putting your own spin on it and start asking random questions.

Please oh please answer this I have asked many times but everyone just ignores my question which is - we celebrate Bandi Chor Divas for 6th patshah good deeds in realising political prisoners from Gwalior. But why did Guru Amar Dass Ji state Sikhs should gather twice a year At Diwali and Vaisakhi, again which we now celebrate due to 10th patshah and 1699. what was the reason then?

I think traditionally Vaisakh was the point in the year people joined together and celebrated the spring harvests and Diwali was New year for majority of people again another big gathering time , those two times everyone from king to pauper knew when they were in the calendar and it was easy to go to celebrate/meet because everyone was doing the same. Just convienent to actually travel and meet up at those times.

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Please oh please answer this I have asked many times but everyone just ignores my question which is - we celebrate Bandi Chor Divas for 6th patshah good deeds in realising political prisoners from Gwalior. But why did Guru Amar Dass Ji state Sikhs should gather twice a year At Diwali and Vaisakhi, again which we now celebrate due to 10th patshah and 1699. what was the reason then?

Where does it say Guru Amar Das ji said this to the Sikhs?

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Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji celebrated Vaisakhi, but in a Gurmat way of blessing Sikhs with 5 Kakkars and Punj Pyare. The Sixth Guru took Diwali and celebrated it in a Gurmat way of going to the Gurdwara and celebrating with the Sadh sangat and Gurbani. Holi was taken and transformed into Holla Mohalla. Sikhs took the concept of a New Year and turned it into Gurmat. Sikhs don't celebrate New Years to worship the two faced God Janus. Sikhs go to the Gurdwara sing Shabads, listening to katha, and partake in langar and seva. The Guru picked Holi, Vaisakhi and Diwali dates to influence Sikhs to come to the Guru and not wander off into mindless celebrations. New Years has the same concept attached to it. Instead of going to clubs, pubs, bars, house parties or other mindless functions the Sikhs choose to come to the Guru.

The same cannot be said about those who put up a Christmas tree. You put a tree up, decorate the tree, put presents around the tree, and exchange gifts in the same fashion. Guru Sahib would have taken this day and changed it into Gurmat. He and the sangat would have went around fed the poor, gave them necessities, sang Gurbani and joined everyone to the feet of the Guru in the Gurdwara. Guru Sahib would have brought the people closer to Gurbani. Instead the Christmas tree promoters are joining together around a tree, which originated from a pagan ritual.

It is being ignorant and calling the Guru foolish when people say it is for the kids. Do you not believe the kids back in the 10 Gurus time want to play and throw colors on each other? Any kid would have had a blast participating in this ritual. By the Christmas tree people standards it is evil to take kids away from being included in such playful activities and even being a Taliban. Yet our Guru, Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji said not to participate in this ritual and celebrate Holla Mohalla.

How can even write such things for Guruji when trying to make a point. Stay in your limits and donot be FOOLISH again.

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Most western and punjabi desi celebrate christmas - tree, gifts, food donations, kids fun-santa from western cultural perspective hardly relate the event to christ..sure punjabi who celebrate christmas with great holiday spirit, need to be informed about our sikh heritage- events during that time and they need to be encouraged observe sikh events with same spirit and not getting carried away easily in social aspect in their life ignoring the other main- religious and spiritual.

With that being said, there is no real conflict as such i m not sure why this is turning into about choices- pick one either this or that. Why not have both? Sikhi is about fine equilibrium in all aspects of life- social, religious, spiritual and not having to pick one over the other and vice versa as in this case these events are different aspects of one life- in social structure- one is xmas holiday cultural aspects-tree, gifts, santa, dinner and other one is religious/spiritual aspect of one life. They are not meant to be mixed, conflict, adapt this, reject that, they are simply different aspects of life -social, religious and spiritual.

I don't think celebrating christmas/holiday spirit ie- tree, gifts, food donations to less fortunate kids , kids fun- santa is mutually exclusive with sikh events but surely can be turned against if caution is not paid by individual or understood as different aspects of life.

We are doing something different this year..we won't have christmas tree- never did for past 2 years but will be going to relatives/sister house - xmas dinner for holiday festivities. They going to be have tree, gifts, dinner, funny santa for kids..and i have absolutely have no problem with it or them but i will casually will do remind them on upcoming char sahibzadas shahidi purb and sri guru gobind singh ji gupurb. we are going to celebrate sri guru gobind singh ji gurpurb at the house on dec 28th, will be reflecting on sri guru gobind singh ji gurpurb and char sahibzadas memory on 25 or 26th..I personally don't think its a sad event but rather an equilibrium moment as char sahibzadas were eternal- never took birth nor died but rather transcedented their temporary five element body.

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Veer ji , I have to strongly disagree with your post. I'm not sure of the percentage of practicing Christians, however there still is obviously a percentage, irregards of this percentage, the Nativity Play is enacted across nursery, infant and juniors schools. The Nativity is about the birth of the son of god, Jesus through the Virgin Mary and gifts are brought by the three kings. How does this not relate to Christianity veer ji?

Santa is a depiction of Saint Nicholas, a Christian. The tree is a symbol from paganism and Christianity and represents Christmas. The 25th of December, Christmas Day also hijacked by Christians from pagans to celebrate the birth of Jesus.

Yes, Christmas is heavily commercialised, however you cannot take away the Christian message. The service of others, the giving of food and sarbhat da bhala is what silks do all year round. Why then have a Christmas tree and decorations to mark a Christian/pagan holiday?

The social aspect is for Christmas is intertwined with the religious.

It is like a sikh, fasting in a Muslim country then enjoying a huge meal with his family within the Muslim celebration. A Khalsa should stay Khalsa in physical form and character all the time.

I understand that in western countries we all have time off work at this period, we all go and see family and spend time with our children, however I do not see any gurmat in making this time feel any more special by physically decorating our homes, marking a Christian festival, in a Christian country, in a sikh home, a dharmsala of the guru which offers food,shelter and service all year round.

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I used to decorate house with lights years ago but not anymore because of our sahibzaaday faced brutal death in this month.

Celebrating christmas is same as celebrating any ither religious day like karvachauth etc.

I think its OK to light up house but not put up tree. Bandi chod diwas is around that time and 10th Guru's gurpurb. Plus if ur the only dark house on street it would be weird. Recently I think on this forum someone commented that Hindus in India didn't light up their houses when 1st Guru ji's gurpurb, and didn't they feel glad? Well if u want others to join in... U might have to as well. Christmas trees should not be done though that's going to far. We can be glad that its Jesus birthday as he was a good person who's impact still resonates n he helps connect ppl to the one.but christmas trees lighting is adopting the customs. Even if it was a pagan holiday the germans related it to Christianity sort of how we changed diwaali to bandi chord diwas. Kept the custom of lighting divaas but used it to celebrate something else.then from Germans passed to Americans then worldwide to celebrate christmas.
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