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This is one point that Kala Afghanists have used to cause great confusion among Bhole Bhaale Sikhs who do not understand these things and think this type of logic makes sense. What you are basically doing is taking Bikrami calendar and super imposing it on the Purewal calendar. You cannot measure Bikrami according to the Christian calendar of Purewal, if you do then that will result in confusion. Both calendars have different measurements, the Christian calendar of Purewal is solar while Bikrami is a solar-lunar calendar. If you celebrate Gurpurabs according to Bikrami then you will celebrate Gurpurabs every year according to the Bikrami calendar.

So you deny the fact that several events do not occur for years and several occur twice a year in the Bikrami calendar? Why was there no Parkash Gurpurabh of Guru Gobind Singh in the years 1991 or 1993 for example?

My argument is not "'what-is-the-need-if-gurus-didnt-use-it'. My arguement is that Guru Sahibaan all used Bikrami calandar and even used it in Gurbani. According to Bikrami calander Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj was born on Poh Sudi Saptmi which is measured according to the phases of the moon. You cannot fix this date according to the solar calendar, it has to be according to the Bikrami calendar. According to Bhai Gurdas Jee, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee was born:

ਕਾਰਤਕ ਮਾਸ ਰੁਤਿ ਸਰਦ ਪੂਰਨਮਾਸੀ ਆਠ ਜਾਮ ਸਾਠਿ ਘਰੀ ਆਜੁ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਾਰੀ ਹੈ ।

It is the month of Karlik, and winter season with full moon night. In these eight watches, here is your chance to meet your beloved at any time. (Guru Nanak Dev Ji was born on this day).

1 ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ : ਕਬਿੱਤ ੩੪੫ ਪੰ. ੧

You cannot measure pooranmaasi according to the solar calendar. It has to be done with solar-lunar Bikrami calendar.

This is how GurSikhs for the last 500 years have been celebrating these days. The Sants of Bhindranwale Sampradah of Taksals or even Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee of AKJ have all celebrated these days according to Bikrami. You can follow these respected Sachkhandi Gursikhs who have tirelessly served the Panth or you can follow shady individuals who oppose Bikrami like Ghagha(who has links with RSS), Gurbaksh Kala Afghana(convicted sex offender), Shivtegh(caught with a Bibi), Darshan Lal(excommunicated from Panth), Jeowala(excommunicated from panth), Dhundha(who said Darbar Sahib's divine kirtan is worse than a prostitute).

If you continue using the Bikrami Calendar, Vaisakh will fall in autumn in a few thousand years. Thats why Nanakshahi is deemed important by some. So isn't it better to have this Nanakshahi calendar with fix dates, where a gurpurab happens once a year and the seasons will not conflict with Gurbani over time?

Secondly, you profusely mention Barah Maha. But do you know our Gurbani Barah Maha starts at Chet while the Bikrami Calendar ends at Chet? If you love Bani so much then why are you opposing the calendar that puts Chet as first month exactly like Bani does.

I don't care about Missionaries or your phobia for them, I am talking facts. I am not even particularly pro Nanakshahi but just found it funny that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon without being properly informed. Before you attack me, missionaries are buddhus for questioning our Basic Gurmat Sidhaants and Guru Sahibaans power like sitting on tati tavi. But then again why not have a healthy discussion on the topic itself instead of whose promoting it. Because it might hurt but we have had RSS promote Dasam Bani too, does that negate Dasam Bani for you?

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So you deny the fact that several events do not occur for years and several occur twice a year in the Bikrami calendar? Why was there no Parkash Gurpurabh of Guru Gobind Singh in the years 1991 or 1993 for example?

If you continue using the Bikrami Calendar, Vaisakh will fall in autumn in a few thousand years. Thats why Nanakshahi is deemed important by some. So isn't it better to have this Nanakshahi calendar with fix dates, where a gurpurab happens once a year and the seasons will not conflict with Gurbani over time?

Secondly, you profusely mention Barah Maha. But do you know our Gurbani Barah Maha starts at Chet while the Bikrami Calendar ends at Chet? If you love Bani so much then why are you opposing the calendar that puts Chet as first month exactly like Bani does.

Here comes the scare tactics that the Nanakshahi supporters have been using since day one. Every gurpurab comes in the Bikrami Calendar every year. 1 mile will be 1 mile, which means one Bikrami year will always be one Bikrami year. No months disappear into thin air in the Bikrami Calendar or because the RSS traveled back in time and erased them. However when you convert to the Nanakshahi Calendar, which has less days you will obviously have some gurpurab not happening one year or twice in another. The Nanakshahi Calendar has less days. Let's take a simple example 1000 miles and take 1000 kilometers. Pick a point in the first 20 kilometers and then tell us how many times it appears in 1000 miles and 1000 kilometers. Obviously, this one point will happen more often in 1000 miles and it will happen at different point because 1 mile is equal to 1.609 kilometers. 1 mile is not equal to 1 kilometer. Similar manner Bikrami Calendar is not equal to Nanakshahi Calendar.

How will Vaisakh fall in autumn in a few thousand years? Bikrami Calendar is based on lunar and solar days. This is again a scare tactic. Fixed dates of the Nanakshai Calendar are wrong because Purewal did not even do the conversions necessary to find the correct date of gurpurabs. Instead Purewal said he can fix this problem later. According to the Nanakshahi Calendar Guru Gobind Singh Sahib jis birthday was being celebrated on the wrong date, when the Calendar was made. Instead of the actual date of January 1st the Nanakshahi Calendar had it at January 5th. All the Sikh history dates are wrong in the Nanakshahi Calendar. How can we accept this calendar?

The Nanakshahi Calendar is not an independent calendar. Bikrami Calendar and the Gregorian Calendar are independent calendars. The Nanakshahi Calendar is completely dependent on the Gregorian Calendar. So how is this a unique calendar. Should we now start saying the Christians have influenced Purewal to force a Christian Calendar on Sikhs?

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Coming back to the the main question is why is this sudden push happening now for the Bikrami calendar? The RSS have said they will ditch Badal if he does not promote their plans in Punjab. Why are the Sant Samaj silent on all other Sikh issues apart from the calendar?

A more important question would be to ask, why is the Nanakshahi Calendar being pushed and forced on the Sikhs through scare tactics by those who label everyone who is not their breed as RSS? The Brikrami Calendar has been used by the Gurus and Sikhs ever since Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji came on to this world. The Gurus gave Sikhs a one of a kind code of conduct, institutions, flag, language, uniform, Granths from other religions, if needed to be would not the Gurus created a Calendar? Is this one flawed Purewal Calendar, which robbed the name Nanakshahi Calendar going to make Sikhs look distinct from other religions? Everyone should look into this topic and find out for themselves who is right in this discussion.

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*Sigh* as expected you didn't even watch Col Nishan's videos where he shows the technical flaws of Purewal calendar.

So you deny the fact that several events do not occur for years and several occur twice a year in the Bikrami calendar? Why was there no Parkash Gurpurabh of Guru Gobind Singh in the years 1991 or 1993 for example?

Stop comparing apples with oranges. You still don't understand. You are measuring Bikrami using Solar calendar. That is why you are confused on this matter. You are comparing two different things. Pick a holiday then either use Bikrami or Purewal's calendar, don't use both together. No date skips or occurs twice in Bikrami calendar. Poh Sudi Saptami which is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's avtar dihara, occurs once every year in Bikrami.

If you continue using the Bikrami Calendar, Vaisakh will fall in autumn in a few thousand years. Thats why Nanakshahi is deemed important by some. So isn't it better to have this Nanakshahi calendar with fix dates, where a gurpurab happens once a year and the seasons will not conflict with Gurbani over time?

That is not a problem. Panth will come together and make necessary adjustments. This happened in 1964.

Secondly, you profusely mention Barah Maha. But do you know our Gurbani Barah Maha starts at Chet while the Bikrami Calendar ends at Chet? If you love Bani so much then why are you opposing the calendar that puts Chet as first month exactly like Bani does.

Bhai If the Gurus have no objection to this and used Bikrami just the way it is then why do you have so much takleef on this matter? And at least this is not that big of a problem as missionaries and their supporters discarding something that is used by the Gurus in Bani. If Bikrami is so wrong, then that means Baramaha Bani and other Bani where Bikrami is used, in Dasam Bani, Bhai Gurdas Jee's bani are all "wrong" by this warped way of thinking.

I don't care about Missionaries or your phobia for them, I am talking facts. I am not even particularly pro Nanakshahi but just found it funny that everyone is jumping on the bandwagon without being properly informed. Before you attack me, missionaries are buddhus for questioning our Basic Gurmat Sidhaants and Guru Sahibaans power like sitting on tati tavi. But then again why not have a healthy discussion on the topic itself instead of whose promoting it. Because it might hurt but we have had RSS promote Dasam Bani too, does that negate Dasam Bani for you?

The missionaries and Kala Afghanist lobby is the one who are pushing this calendar. They organize conferences for it's implementation. Purewal also attends their conferences. Just read their site Singh Sabha Canada where they boast the Purewal's calender is being used to discredit Dasam Bani. And Dasam Bani is not used by anti Sikh forces like RSS because Dasam Bani is the most critical of Hindu Dharm.

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Coming back to the the main question is why is this sudden push happening now for the Bikrami calendar? The RSS have said they will ditch Badal if he does not promote their plans in Punjab. Why are the Sant Samaj silent on all other Sikh issues apart from the calendar?

RSS have nothing to do with Bikrami. I have asked you previously, Please show me a statement by RSS saying they support Bikrami. And do not forget that the same Badal had previously implemented Purewal's calender without taking the whole Panth in confidence. This resulted in disunity where Sikhs have begun celebrating Sikh holidays on two different days. this calendar has caused disunity in Panth not Unity. It's time the Panth throw this calendar in the dust bin of history where it belongs.

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*Sigh* as expected you didn't even watch Col Nishan's videos where he shows the technical flaws of Purewal calendar.

Stop comparing apples with oranges. You still don't understand. You are measuring Bikrami using Solar calendar. That is why you are confused on this matter. You are comparing two different things. Pick a holiday then either use Bikrami or Purewal's calendar, don't use both together. No date skips or occurs twice in Bikrami calendar. Poh Sudi Saptami which is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's avtar dihara, occurs once every year in Bikrami.

That is not a problem. Panth will come together and make necessary adjustments. This happened in 1964.

Bhai If the Gurus have no objection to this and used Bikrami just the way it is then why do you have so much takleef on this matter? And at least this is not that big of a problem as missionaries and their supporters discarding something that is used by the Gurus in Bani. If Bikrami is so wrong, then that means Baramaha Bani and other Bani where Bikrami is used, in Dasam Bani, Bhai Gurdas Jee's bani are all "wrong" by this warped way of thinking.

The missionaries and Kala Afghanist lobby is the one who are pushing this calendar. They organize conferences for it's implementation. Purewal also attends their conferences. Just read their site Singh Sabha Canada where they boast the Purewal's calender is being used to discredit Dasam Bani. And Dasam Bani is not used by anti Sikh forces like RSS because Dasam Bani is the most critical of Hindu Dharm.

Veer ji ,

RSS will not openly show their vested interest in derailing Dasam Bani ...of course they would support the Nanakshahi calendar being pushed by these guys ...because they are also interested in stopping General Sangat's sharda in Dasam Bani as it is the current activity and aim of these missionary guys . I remember watching the youtube video of Purewal introducing Nanakshahi calendar to sangat he was claiming the exact opposite of what his calendar has achieved ...He was claiming the scenario with doubled and missing diwases was going to happen with Bikrami that's why he created the Purewal calender (I refuse to call it Nanakshahi as it has broken with Sikh Itihaas)

I too like Col. Nishan tried contacting him by email ...still waiting for a reply now about three months ...and that was to ask if there was an app to calculate the calendar ...strange that the creator doesn't care to correct or produce something that will be relied on by Sikh world wide...that indicates a level of malicious indifference which would make ANY person think twice about trusting him and his creation.

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Veer ji ,

RSS will not openly show their vested interest in derailing Dasam Bani ...of course they would support the Nanakshahi calendar being pushed by these guys ...because they are also interested in stopping General Sangat's sharda in Dasam Bani as it is the current activity and aim of these missionary guys . I remember watching the youtube video of Purewal introducing Nanakshahi calendar to sangat he was claiming the exact opposite of what his calendar has achieved ...He was claiming the scenario with doubled and missing diwases was going to happen with Bikrami that's why he created the Purewal calender (I refuse to call it Nanakshahi as it has broken with Sikh Itihaas)

I too like Col. Nishan tried contacting him by email ...still waiting for a reply now about three months ...and that was to ask if there was an app to calculate the calendar ...strange that the creator doesn't care to correct or produce something that will be relied on by Sikh world wide...that indicates a level of malicious indifference which would make ANY person think twice about trusting him and his creation.

Expert like Col Nishan who have the technical knowledge in calendar science say so many dates like Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Avtar Dihara are all calculated wrong in Purewal calender. He had talked to Purewal about this before Badal had implemented this flawed calendar on the Panth, Purewal's answer was, once it is implemented then I will make the corrections. I mean just think about it, he named it Nanakshahi, yet the base year of the calender is 1999 instead of 1469 when Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee was born.

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BY SIKH24 EDITORS / IN PUNJAB, WORLD /

JANUARY 2, 2015
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Sikh Sangat

AMRITSAR SAHIB, Punjab (January 2, 2015)—Led by noted Sikh preacher Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa, more than five dozens leading religious, social and political Sikh organizations and large numbers of Sikh sangat assembled at Sri Akal Takht Sahib to take up the sensitive issues of implementing original Nanakshahi Calender, termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian Constitution and the release of Sikh political prisoners permanently with its appointed Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh.

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Representatives of Sikh Sangat submitting memorandum to Akal Takht Sahib Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh

The unprecedented gathering was mainly attended by Panthik Talmel Committee patron Giani Kewal Singh, Akhand Kirtani Jatha UK chief Bhai Bakhshish Singh, Akhand Kirtani Jatha (International) chief Giani Baldev Singh, ‘Sikh Fulwari’ monthly editor Harjit Singh, ‘Missionary Sedhan’ monthly editor Avtar Singh, Bhai Kuldeep Singh Live Sikh World, Bhai Satnam Singh Chandar, Sikh preacher, Bhai Baljit Singh Burj Naklian, Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) Senior vice president and former MP Bhai Dhian Singh Mand, general secretary Jaskaran Singh Kahan Singh Wala, Prof. Mohinder Pal Singh, Media incharge Iqbal Singh Tiwana, Jarnail Singh Sakhira, Harbir Singh Sandhu, Akali Dal (Panch Pardhani) leaders Baba Hardeep Singh Mehraj, Baldev Singh Sirsa, Sikh preacher Sarabjit Singh Dhunda, Sikh scholar Dr. Sukhpreet Singh Udoke, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Satkar Committee Haryana chief Bhai Sukhwinder Singh, Damdami Taksal (Ajnala) chief Bhai Amrik Singh Ajanala, Akhand Kirtani Jatha leader Bhai RP Singh, ‘Akal Purakh Ki Fauj’ director Advocate Jaswinder Singh, Principal Baljinder Singh, Baba Anoop Singh Akal Bunga etc.

It is pertinent to mention that the entire Sikh sangat were listening to Panthik speakers with keen concentration even without any mic. All speakers including Bhai Panthpreet Singh jointly said the Punjab legislative assembly should pass a resolution to get section 25 (2) (b) of the India Constitution amended. In respect of release of Sikh political prisoners,

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Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa addressing Sikh Sangat

they appealed Akal Takht Jathedar to lead the nation so that a mass movement could be launched in order to ensure the release of Sikh prisoners languishing in various jails of India. Sanagat gave their approval to these points by raising the slogan of ‘Sat Sri Akal’. The speakers also showed concern about the health condition of Bhai Gurbaksh Signh Khalsa which is deteriorating very critically.

Sikhs in large numbers were seen displaying a banner in support of the orginal Nanakshahi Calender.

The Sikh assembly also said that the so called Saints or cultists who did not follow the Panth Parvanit Sikh Rehat Maryada (Sikh code of conduct accepted by community) of Akal Takht Sahib had no right to oppose the Nanakshahi Calender nor to appeal to Akal Takht.

A memorandum in this regard was submitted to Giani Gurbachan Singh. After getting the memorandum, Akal Takht

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Sikh Leaders

Jathedar discussed the matter with representatives of the Sikh sangat for an hour.

Talking to media persons, Bhai Panthpreet Singh said they had made the Jathedar aware of the aspirations of the Sikh sangat. He said the Jathedar has asked all the Sikh bodies to come to the fore for termination of section 25 (2) (b). As far as the Nanakshahi calendar, the Jathedar reportedly said that the final decision would be taken in the meeting of Panj Singh Sahiban (highest presidium of Sikhs), but he assured that the decision would be taken as per aspirations of Sikh sangat.

Kirpal Singh Bathinda, Prof. Gurpreet Singh Guru Gobind Study Circle, Karam Singh Bhoian SAD (A), Amrik Singh Nangal, Parminderpal Singh Khalsa Internation Sikh welfare society, Dalbir Singh Dastar Federation of India, Bhai Makhan Singh from Jammu and Sikh leaders from Haryana and Rajasthan were present on the occasion.

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Gathering

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Sikh Sangat giving their approval to resolutions

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Does Nanakshi Calendar have this much support or did many turn up to see what the fuss was about?

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