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The worse thing we can do is leave them unable to cope with the world gone to hell

The world has not 'gone to hell'.

The previous generation (my dad) used to share bottles of sharab at the outside langar hall of the old Havelock Road Gurdwara in Southall every Sunday afternoon. Now, that new rebuilt Gurdwara on the same site is a world famous bastion of Sikhi. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

The previous generation (my mum) were too uneducated to even know the difference between Sikhism and Hinduism and so had Hindu practices in their everyday Sikhi. We don't see that no more. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

In the second generation of UK born 'Sikhs' (me) , hardly any of us were taught anything about Sikhi...hardly any of us were taught kirtan, gatka etc. Now, this 3rd generation (my children) is putting us to shame. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

Please sis, please don't ever pass that negativity of yours on to your kids. If anything, teach them of the importance of chardi kala. It is human nature to think things today are worse than they used to be. The fact is they seldom are when one looks at it with clear eyes. Always remember that many here on this website look at your example of how how your adult life took shape and lament "oh how things have gone to hell". Just as you, and not them, know that it was in actual fact 'heaven' we have to understand how one man's heaven is another man's hell. When we bear that in mind the only thing left for us to do is try and follow in the footsteps of Guru ji. One of who rose above these limitations and insecurities of man.

The fact is, life is truly wonderful. Life is better today than it has ever been before. Truly wonderful.

Water table finishing ? Gas supplies running out ? Our governments making constant wars ? Yes, all are true but these are not problems that can't be solved by our children if they embrace education, fight for truth and reach positions of power.

We have gone from hell into heaven with this current generation of very young Sikhs.

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I have always been sikh and it was my Sikhi that intrigued my husband , and so he came onto our way of thinking about the universe ... our kids are amritdhari but although he has kept his kes, goes Gurdwara , only eats/lives as an amritdhari would in our home ,he has not got to the point of sanchar readiness himself and I am waiting for him although I do my duties as per normal in Sikhi.

In the meantime , have to do the right thing and get the kids battle-ready they are going to see a very anarchaic time in their lives when the fossil fuels peter out, food shortages due to toxicity of soils and of course worldwide Caliphate attempts. Bani and warrior training...

WJKK WJKF

Bhen ji, it's great to hear your personal story, it sets a excellent example of sikhi being raceless. Unfortunately, if many of our own panjabi Sikhs understood that sikhi was also casteless, the panth would move forward quicker and more united. However as you see on this site, many so called Sikhs who declare their ancestry in pride act like their beacons of the faith at the same time indulging manmatt and living by their own personal maryada, yet in individual cases people like your father show what a true Gurmukh would do!

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Is it okay for a Sikh to marry a mixed Sikh? The person is half white but was raised as a Sikh and is a strong believer in Sikhism. Our Rehit says that a Sikh must marry a Sikh, but does it say anything about mixed race?

Kudos to you for asking if you don't know. However, some where along the way you like so many others have been failed by us miserably in being taught Sikhi basics. This is a huge problem in punjabi culture.

That kind of thought process is worthy of white supremacists and KKK, It is completely opposite to Sikh thinking and should be blasted a million miles out of sight. It can not remain on a Sikh site as merely advised upon. 'Half white', meaning from the waste up? What were were the original races again? Caucasian, Mongloid, Negroid and Punjaboidiot. So sorry people, but when fail our kids and insult our guruji's like this, someone needs to yell from the rooftops!!

If Sikhs were true to Sikhi, it would be the most mixed race faith in the world with the most diverse languages spoken. Instead we are mostly a indo/hindu mush. somewhat self hating, somewhat hating all others, somewhat not having a clue...all wrapped up in a comfortable "proud punjabi".

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ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ

The world has not 'gone to hell'.

Bhaji, with respect, we think you may have mistakenly taken the comment out of context. Perhaps, bhenji's point was emphasizing the need to educate young Sikhs.

However, we also understand your point about how much Sikhi has made (and is making) progress. We see and hear this a lot. And yes, Chardi Kala is a fundamental concept.

ਕਲਿ ਕਾਲਖ ਅੰਧਿਆਰੀਆ ॥ In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, there is only pitch darkness.

~ Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji
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I have always been sikh and it was my Sikhi that intrigued my husband , and so he came onto our way of thinking about the universe ... our kids are amritdhari but although he has kept his kes, goes Gurdwara , only eats/lives as an amritdhari would in our home ,he has not got to the point of sanchar readiness himself and I am waiting for him although I do my duties as per normal in Sikhi.

In the meantime , have to do the right thing and get the kids battle-ready they are going to see a very anarchaic time in their lives when the fossil fuels peter out, food shortages due to toxicity of soils and of course worldwide Caliphate attempts. Bani and warrior training...

WJKK WJKF

Bhen ji, it's great to hear your personal story, it sets a excellent example of sikhi being raceless. Unfortunately, if many of our own panjabi Sikhs understood that sikhi was also casteless, the panth would move forward quicker and more united. However as you see on this site, many so called Sikhs who declare their ancestry in pride act like their beacons of the faith at the same time indulging manmatt and living by their own personal maryada, yet in individual cases people like your father show what a true Gurmukh would do!

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Bhen ji, it's great to hear your personal story, it sets a excellent example of sikhi being raceless. Unfortunately, if many of our own panjabi Sikhs understood that sikhi was also casteless, the panth would move forward quicker and more united. However as you see on this site, many so called Sikhs who declare their ancestry in pride act like their beacons of the faith at the same time indulging manmatt and living by their own personal maryada, yet in individual cases people like your father show what a true Gurmukh would do!

Veer ji

it is an illness sprung from our egos ...and the only way we can destroy it is by embracing those our egos would shun as lower and live side by side with them learning at Guru ji's Charan together... I still remember reading Bhai Randhir Singh's struggle to remove predjudice against newly baptised Gursikhs from 'lower' castes at Harmandir Sahib...People they are our sisters and brothers in blood and soul, they are the Caste Khalsa no other ....

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Veer ji

it is an illness sprung from our egos ...and the only way we can destroy it is by embracing those our egos would shun as lower and live side by side with them learning at Guru ji's Charan together... I still remember reading Bhai Randhir Singh's struggle to remove predjudice against newly baptised Gursikhs from 'lower' castes at Harmandir Sahib...People they are our sisters and brothers in blood and soul, they are the Caste Khalsa no other ....

WJKK WJKF

Couldn't of said it better myself, spot on Bhen ji!

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The world has not 'gone to hell'.

The previous generation (my dad) used to share bottles of sharab at the outside langar hall of the old Havelock Road Gurdwara in Southall every Sunday afternoon. Now, that new rebuilt Gurdwara on the same site is a world famous bastion of Sikhi. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

The previous generation (my mum) were too uneducated to even know the difference between Sikhism and Hinduism and so had Hindu practices in their everyday Sikhi. We don't see that no more. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

In the second generation of UK born 'Sikhs' (me) , hardly any of us were taught anything about Sikhi...hardly any of us were taught kirtan, gatka etc. Now, this 3rd generation (my children) is putting us to shame. WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM HELL.

Please sis, please don't ever pass that negativity of yours on to your kids. If anything, teach them of the importance of chardi kala. It is human nature to think things today are worse than they used to be. The fact is they seldom are when one looks at it with clear eyes. Always remember that many here on this website look at your example of how how your adult life took shape and lament "oh how things have gone to hell". Just as you, and not them, know that it was in actual fact 'heaven' we have to understand how one man's heaven is another man's hell. When we bear that in mind the only thing left for us to do is try and follow in the footsteps of Guru ji. One of who rose above these limitations and insecurities of man.

The fact is, life is truly wonderful. Life is better today than it has ever been before. Truly wonderful.

Water table finishing ? Gas supplies running out ? Our governments making constant wars ? Yes, all are true but these are not problems that can't be solved by our children if they embrace education, fight for truth and reach positions of power.

We have gone from hell into heaven with this current generation of very young Sikhs.

Me negative ? nah ... I always leave my troubles with Waheguru ...he knows my every concern and provided answers as they were needed...I can see many young guns making the fauj strong and it makes my heart glad ,but I also know that I have to equip my kids with good practical skills alongside the habit of bhagti and trust . I take the warnings of our mahapurakh seriously so I know that the most bani I can do and learn and teach is just as important as creating a strong sense of justice, courage , truth and the physical abilities to grow and nuture food crops, to cook , to clean, to sew , to do sewa, to know herbal plants and their use , to learn CPR, Swimming, first aid treatment. I will try to pass on my homeopathic treatment knowledge too. The point is to create self-sufficient humans ...that's all

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Me negative ? nah ... I always leave my troubles with Waheguru ...he knows my every concern and provided answers as they were needed...I can see many young guns making the fauj strong and it makes my heart glad ,but I also know that I have to equip my kids with good practical skills alongside the habit of bhagti and trust . I take the warnings of our mahapurakh seriously so I know that the most bani I can do and learn and teach is just as important as creating a strong sense of justice, courage , truth and the physical abilities to grow and nuture food crops, to cook , to clean, to sew , to do sewa, to know herbal plants and their use , to learn CPR, Swimming, first aid treatment. I will try to pass on my homeopathic treatment knowledge too. The point is to create self-sufficient humans ...that's all

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That's great sikhia for your kids. Thankfully, I live in a rural part of England so I take my kids hunting quite often, I have some land too where we grow veg and rear some livestock. The outdoors is great for kids for learning, so many kids are just cooped up at home nowadays because of technology and the kaljug samma we live in. But keep up the good work!

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