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As i was saying on other thread, I think there needs to be much needed discussion on naam dridh after amrit sanchar as there is lot more confusion on this and talk about this among youths.


As far i understood this, naam dridh is one of (many techniques) or vidhi on how to do naam jaap. So by that definition, naam dridh is sub section of overall gurmat updesh given to students by panj pyares.


According to traditional gurmat, all students who have taken amrit are given same gurmantar and mool mantra. However, not all students are given same vidhi/technique (be it naam dridh or any other technique). Reason being, each student are at different state of mind stages in spiritual development, drawn towards different aspect of VahiGuru or different spiritual stages (one may be drawn towards bhagti-sargun seva of sri guru granth sahib ji, one is drawn towards reading lot of gurbani, contemplating on aspects within gurbani, other may are drawn towards shabad surat-sas gras/swas swas simran, third may be drawn towards gyan aspect-nirgun form of shabad- shabad gyan) so perceptions are different different based on aspirant sikh student spiritual development not this from this life time but from all the way from previous life times. So thats why spiritual jevan of gursikhs who have taken panj pyares seva needs to be extremely important.


So in traditional gurmat, mahapursh in form of panj pyares or as symbolic mukhi -bhai dya singh ji (as shown in the history soraj parkash granth) builds a dialogue with each student individually, find out by bibek intutive awareness what each seeker they are drawn towards by asking them questions and finding out which technique is best fit for student itself, they help seeker all the way through in their spiritual development. So traditionally, panj pyares played pivotal role in seekers spiritual development all the way through.


Hope that helps.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

"Further on it was clear that the mystic Name was the symbol of Truth, which the Enlightened

sages, gurmukhs, can attain. It was also clear that this mystic Name could be contemplated in
many ways:
1. With the tongue.
2. With the breath and mind.
3. With inner consciousness by keeping the pranasakti (vital breath) controlled in the naval.
By every method one could attain the highest spiritual state.
Source: Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh, Jail Chittian (English)
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Most people will go through this shabad below just conceptually or intellectually. However, there is hidden vidhi in this shabad. This vidhi mentioned in shabad below by sri guru gobind singh ji himself is probably most direct, powerful and highest vidhi-nirgun abhed dhian/smadhi, this is where all vidhi ends.


ਪੂਰਨ ਜੋਤ ਜਗੈ ਘਟ ਮੈ ਤਬ ਖਾਲਸ ਤਾਹਿ ਨਖਾਲਸ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਜਾਗਿਤ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਪੈ ਨਿਸ ਬਾਸ੝ਰ ਝਕ ਬਿਨਾ ਮਨ ਨੈਕ ਨ ਆਨੈ ॥

ਪੂਰਨ ਪ੝ਰੇਮ ਪ੝ਰਤੀਤ ਸਜੈ ਬ੝ਰਤ ਗੋਰ ਮੜ੝ਹੀ ਮਟ ਭੂਲ ਨ ਮਾਨੈ ॥

ਤੀਰਥ ਦਾਨ ਦਯਾ ਤਪ ਸੰਜਮ ਝਕ ਬਿਨਾ ਨਹਿ ਝਕ ਪਛਾਨੈ ॥


pooran joth jagai ghatt mai thab khalas thahi nakhalas janai.

jagith joth japai nis basur eaek bina man naik n anai.

pooran praem pratheeth sajai brath gor marrhee matt bhool n manai.

theerathh dhan dhaya thap sanjam eaek bina nehi eaek pashhanai.


Such a man, in whose heart shines the full Divinely Radiant Light is a true a pure Khalsa.

He the Khalsa meditates on the Ever-radiant Light, day and night, and rejects all else but the one Lord from the mind.

He decorates himself with perfect love and faith, and believed not in fasts, tombs, crematoriums and hermit cells, even by mistake.

He knows none except the one Lord in the performance of acts of pilgrimage, charities, compassion, austerities and self-control.


This ever-radiant light/knowledge (Jagad jot) is already in all of us as jot roop our real self as enlightened self realized undivided spacious radiant unconditioned pure jagad (awakened/pure awareness). Seeker needs to stop identifying with conditioned mind thats done by initially by witnessing the thoughts only, in fact no need to stop mind thoughts as mind will automatically fall off, just simply abide in this pure jagad (awakened/pure awareness)- see through world as one in all, all in one- perceive everything manifest rising and subsiding as wave from your real self in real self- awakened-aware-jagad jot- pure ocean of awareness, thats all is required until grace dawns..everything will happen spontaneously and naturally... If you have deep impulse or drawn towards this vidhi you are quite lucky thats grace itself, if not its ok take the vidhi which you are more drawn towards under guidance of panj pyares. Everything is grace-introvert itself grace from satguru, perseverance is also grace from satguru, realisation is also grace from satguru

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Two Kathas that stand out in my mind about Naam Simran: pack very meaningful content in a very limited time.

- 10 stages of Simran. Talks of how Simran progresses.

- How to do Simran. The basic need of bairaag, prem and desire for the Almighty.

Neither of these Kathas/Vichaars are meant to discourage anyone from doing Simran. Simran HAS to be done. No ifs, ands or buts. Sometimes it is discouraging to see that you have not progressed beyond a stage or that when people are talking about bairaag and prem in Simran as necessary and you are still developing that. Always remember that Gurbani says, "Eko Naam Hukam Hai, Nanak Satgur Diya Bujhai Jio" - Naam is a Hukam - reciting it is not optional, be it mechanial, loud, soft, internal or whatever. The stages will come, now or later per Guru Sahib's Kirpa. Doing Sangat, reading Gurbani will produce the bairaag. It will develop that love. Gurbani is the prem-whip which we hit the mind-horse with to convince it to go towards this true destination ("Chal Rae Baikunth Tujae Lai Taro. Hitche To Prem Kae Chabak Maro"). That is Gurbani and Naam are two sides of the same coin - one encourages the other.

I say the above because I was also troubled by such vichaar. You hear Gursikhs talk about how Simran should be done as if the Almighty is sitting next to you. How there should love in your voice as if you are speaking to your deepest love and calling out his name. Meanwhile, moorakhs like me are looking dumbly on wondering how this happens. Continue on - it will develop. Do Ardaas for it, do Sangat of those Gursikhs who have advanced and things will happen.

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Namm simran is most effective when u understand what it is.

Naam is Truth- its the frequnecy of balanced gyan that lives to discover while detached from the discoveries of highs n lows, pleasure and pain, heaven and hells.

Truth is everything, everyone, everywhere.

The trees whipser Naam/Truth, everyone lives in karam of it. When u do Naam Simran, u are connecting with the entire Universe and embracing it.

In this khel in this janam-our body is the temple of Truth- of Him- of All because He Is All.

Hence when we do naam simran we embrace all as coming from within us- just being projected from within our own hearts as part of the khel.

Your Mum, Dad, Siblings, Beyonce, the trees, the spiders, Guru Nanak, the devil, the angels the gods n goddesses and heavenly and hell realms are all within us and Are us and we are them.

There is only One.

But people dont realise it and so we are cruel to others, jealous of others, not realising that really, we are the same. We are all born of the silence- of the Nothingness- that is our origin- thats the truth. Everything is just a projection of the Nothingness, of the truth-its just an illusion.

Satnaam

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I would say also naam simran is probably first priority than naam dridh or any jugti/vidhi because naam simran (truth-remembrance which develops bairaag/love) has to be deep-rooted in one first one can go on use naam dridh or various naam jugti/vidhi to do jaap otherwise ego kicks in- start turning this naam dridhi or any vidhi into - sense of accomplishment, stages, spiritual aim, higher or lower state of consciousness, ego camping out at 3rd eye, shabad resonance, dasam dwar. All these higher states are good to have but they are relative truth they are not there from absolute point of view*, and in order to transcendent them (if they come in your path) or abandon need for them you need absolute unconditional love for truth (naam) and bairaag which only naam simran -truth remembrance takes you deeply.

And the beauty of naam simran, there are no technicalities of it- its not vidhi or naam dridh, so anyone can do it as there are no complexities as its remembrance you just honesty, earnestness, absolute desire for truth-naam and slowly truth will throb on you too unexpectedly by absolute truth-Ikongkar. We think as if ikongkar (truth) is dead and relative but truth is alive- HERE AND NOW, this absolute truth- bhramgyan is one in all, all in one- every much happening all the time here and now.

*From absolute truth view/perspective standpoint (Ikongkar/Mool Mantar), there are no relative truths or states its only ONE non dual(Advait-Ikongkar) absolute reality. Just like sea is not aware of its wave (no separate I distinction or relative truths or reality), just like that from absolute view- absolute is not aware of its relative truths/reality It's all ONE in all, ALL in ONE...!!

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I would say also naam simran is probably first priority than naam dridh or any jugti/vidhi because naam simran (truth-remembrance which develops bairaag/love) has to be deep-rooted in one first one can go on use naam dridh or various naam jugti/vidhi to do jaap otherwise ego kicks in- start turning this naam dridhi or any vidhi into - sense of accomplishment, stages, spiritual aim, higher or lower state of consciousness, ego camping out at 3rd eye, shabad resonance, dasam dwar. All these higher states are good to have but they are relative truth they are not there from absolute point of view*, and in order to transcendent them (if they come in your path) or abandon need for them you need absolute unconditional love for truth (naam) and bairaag which only naam simran -truth remembrance takes you deeply.

And the beauty of naam simran, there are no technicalities of it- its not vidhi or naam dridh, so anyone can do it as there are no complexities as its remembrance you just honesty, earnestness, absolute desire for truth-naam and slowly truth will throb on you too unexpectedly by absolute truth-Ikongkar. We think as if ikongkar (truth) is dead and relative but truth is alive- HERE AND NOW, this absolute truth- bhramgyan is one in all, all in one- every much happening all the time here and now.

*From absolute truth view/perspective standpoint (Ikongkar/Mool Mantar), there are no relative truths or states its only ONE non dual(Advait-Ikongkar) absolute reality. Just like sea is not aware of its wave (no separate I distinction or relative truths or reality), just like that from absolute view- absolute is not aware of its relative truths/reality It's all ONE in all, ALL in ONE...!!

Hi,

Just wanted to add that the aim of this Janam is to Live- because thats why we're born- but to live Truthfully. To see God in Everything.

In every little particle in this khel, in every stone, every flower, every cell, exists the Whole- the nothingness. It really is All in one, one in All.

Use every bit of dukh youre gifted with to detach back into the balance of truth- This is True Love- to see Truth in all, in the good and the bad- its all just Him- recognise Him. Use the illusion to your advantage, to play the game He/you have created through ur heart, never let it play you.

Satnaam

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