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[jkvlondon]

Well sikhs have used suicide bombin a few times sister. As u have mentioned, dilawer singh and bhai rajoana both were suicide bombers who killed beant cm of panjab in 95 via suicide bombing. 2 little girls, satnam kaur and waheguru kaur who were of the same age incidently as the chote sahibzade, were both suicide bombers, via hand grenades, during operation bluestar, to stop the advancement of the dirty indian army tanks. Which they succeeded in doin, and blew up the tanks, which meant further tanks couldnt advance. Also i remember reading how babbar akalis during british rule of india, used hand grenades as suicide bombers n blew themselves up, in order to free our gurdwareh frm masands n brits.

I personally dont think theres anything wrong in suicide bombing, it has only become the hallmark of terrorism thanks to these stupid muslim suicide bombers since 2000 onwards. Muslim bombers for eg, will have a problem with 1 person in a specific building, so instead of waiting n killing that 1 person outside, they will happily blow up the building itself, along with the 300+ ppl inside. What dilawer/balwant rajoana did, was detontate the bomb outside in the car park and NOT inside the building, where cm beant was going in, which would of caused immense casualties. Thats the difference between our lot (compassionate warriors) and the rest (blood thirsty scumbags).

it's definitely not the same ...whereas our faujis directed their attacks only on the targeted individuals no collateral deaths/injuries were acceptable these scummy jihadis go for maximum death and destruction the more the merrier ...it must be such a disappointment when they arrive in the netherworld rather than jannat, did they not read the commandments' thou shalt not kill'

[SheikhYoBooty]

Sheikh Farid Ji's verses are in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Sheikh Kabir Ji, Peer Budhan Shah, Sian Mian Mir who laid down the foundations of Darbar Sahib Amritsar, Peer Bhikan Shah who bowed towards Patna Sahib and not Mecca when he realised Dhan Guru Gobind Rai had taken birth, Bhai Mardana Ji who travelled with Guru Nanak Nirankar Ji - to mention just a few.

Baba Farid Ji lived and preached according to Gurmat. Sufi's are non-Muslims by definition.

As a non-Muslim Sufi spiritualist he rejected Prophet Muhammad's pedophilia, slavery and terrorism.

Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj was not a Muslim in any way, shape or form. Kabir Ji Maharaj repeatedly tears apart the lies of Islam to shreds within Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj (if only you would care to read). The Muslims repeatedly tried to kill Kabir Ji Maharaj several times for rejecting and ridiculing Islam.

Bhai Mardana Ji was the first Sikh! How dare you label a Gurmukh like Bhai Mardana Ji as a Muslim when again like Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj the Muslims actually repeatedly tried to kill Bhai Mardana Ji for rejecting Islam (as Prophet Muhammad ordered that those who leave his religion should be killed).

Pir Buddhu Shah, Sain Mian Mir and Pir Bikhan Shah were all non-Muslim Sufi spiritualists who lived and preached according to Gurmat. Sufi's are not Muslims. Sikhs and Muslims all accept the oneness of Allah. Just because Sufi spiritualists often use the word Allah for God does not make them Muslim. And true Sufi spiritualists reject the pedophilia, slavery and terrorism that Prophet Muhammad and the Quran promote.

"Sufi Muslim" is a recent misnomer as the persecution faced by Sufi spiritualists forced many in Muslim societies to pretend they were Muslims for fear of being killed as apostates (those who have left Islam that Prophet Muhammad ordered should be killed). Ask yourself how many true Muslims would bow in front of Guru Sahib when Prophet Muhammad ordered that Muslims can only bow towards his birthplace Mecca?

Pir Buddhu Shah, Sain Mian Mir and Pir Bhikan Shah all bowed before Guru Sahib instead of Mecca.

Forget about Prophet Muhammad for a second, answer the following questions Pakindi Babar ...

Q1. Do you admit that a 54 year old man who has sex with a 9year old girl is a pedophile?

Q2. Do you accept that those who kill innocent civilians for financial profit can be classed as terrorists?

Q3. Do you accept that rich Slaveowners who sell innocent black African children for profit are wrong?

Q4. Do you admit that a rich Slaveowner who has sex with female slaves is immoral?

Q5. Are you serious in thinking that great Gurmukh Sikhs like Bhai Mardana Ji and those who wrote Gurbani like Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj would believe in a man like Prophet Muhammad who the Quran and Hadiths openly admit was a pedophile, murderer, rapist, slaveowner and terrorist according to all modern day standards?

[singh598]

The Prophet Mohammed was as above until he got blessed with spiritually he used to fall into samadhi

Listening to sant singh maskeen katha he makes references to prophet Mohammed as a saint

Baba Gurbachan Singh Bindravale states that the Prophet stole the Quran which was written by somebody else

Sikhi stance is not to talk I'll of the founder of Islam

I can guarantee you all You Don't know anything about Islam which is a very deep and good religion

The Gurus never said Islam is bad but postulated the superiorness of Sikhism

[singh598]

vaho vaho bani nirankar hai

Gurbani isn't a satire

[SikhKosh]

Look at all the anti-islamic posts here. None of the so called Sikhs have respect or knowledge of what the Guru Sahibs preached, how a few bad seeds do not make all bad. As they don't, they can not be regarded as Sikhs but patit.

Here....

Sikhs and Mughals (who were not practising Islam, as Arangezeb killed his own father etc} many Muslims are in Sikh Religion, Sheikh Farid Ji's verses are in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Sheikh Kabir Ji, Peer Budhan Shah, Sian Mian Mir who laid down the foundations of Darbar Sahib Amritsar, Peer Bhikan Shah who bowed towards Patna Sahib and not Mecca when he realised Dhan Guru Gobind Rai had taken birth, Bhai Mardana Ji who travelled with Guru Nanak Nirankar Ji - to mention just a few.

Fateh. (which is also a Persian word)

Get ready for rebuttal of the modern Sikh apologetics who believe all religions are equal and Bhagats were Hindus/Muslims:

1. Bhagat Fareed was Guru Nanak Sahibs contemponary and was inspired by the Guru which shows in the vocabulary used by the Bhagat.

2. Bhagat Kabeer is probably the biggest critic of Islam in the Guru Granth Sahib; he condemns circumcision, Hajj and Halal amongst many other basics of Islam. Besides that again a contemponary of Guru Nanak Sahib who met him several times in Uttar Pradesh, Punjab and Gujrat.

3. A 'Muslim' (Bikhan Shah) who bows to Patna instead of Mecca? Does he really remain a Muslim, ask the Islamic scholars.

4. Sain Meer Mir was again not a Muslim and the fact that he layed the foundations of Darbar Sahib is historically debated. The first author to mention this fact was a Muslim on British payroll.

5. Bhai Mardana was a Sikh. There are quite some sources confirming this including MA Macauliffes volumes on Sikh history. Mardana's descendants fell back into Islam just like many other tribes who converted to Sikhi at the times of the Gurus (known as Nanakpanthis).

6. Fateh might be Persian, but not Islamic. Persian history, especially pre-Islam is very rich and many words we use in Punjabi have origins there. So, your point?

[JagsawSingh]

Oh sorry. I seem to have wandered onto the wrong thread. I was looking for the one that had an intellient discussion going about charlie hebdo. It seems, judging by 'sikhkosh' and 'sheikhyerbooty's posts, I have mistakingly found the British National Party / Ku Klux Klan facism and racism appreciation thread by mistake. My bad.

[BSingh87]

Baba Farid Ji lived and preached according to Gurmat. Sufi's are non-Muslims by definition.

As a non-Muslim Sufi spiritualist he rejected Prophet Muhammad's pedophilia, slavery and terrorism.

Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj was not a Muslim in any way, shape or form. Kabir Ji Maharaj repeatedly tears apart the lies of Islam to shreds within Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj (if only you would care to read). The Muslims repeatedly tried to kill Kabir Ji Maharaj several times for rejecting and ridiculing Islam.

Bhai Mardana Ji was the first Sikh! How dare you label a Gurmukh like Bhai Mardana Ji as a Muslim when again like Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj the Muslims actually repeatedly tried to kill Bhai Mardana Ji for rejecting Islam (as Prophet Muhammad ordered that those who leave his religion should be killed).

Pir Buddhu Shah, Sain Mian Mir and Pir Bikhan Shah were all non-Muslim Sufi spiritualists who lived and preached according to Gurmat. Sufi's are not Muslims. Sikhs and Muslims all accept the oneness of Allah. Just because Sufi spiritualists often use the word Allah for God does not make them Muslim. And true Sufi spiritualists reject the pedophilia, slavery and terrorism that Prophet Muhammad and the Quran promote.

"Sufi Muslim" is a recent misnomer as the persecution faced by Sufi spiritualists forced many in Muslim societies to pretend they were Muslims for fear of being killed as apostates (those who have left Islam that Prophet Muhammad ordered should be killed). Ask yourself how many true Muslims would bow in front of Guru Sahib when Prophet Muhammad ordered that Muslims can only bow towards his birthplace Mecca?

Pir Buddhu Shah, Sain Mian Mir and Pir Bhikan Shah all bowed before Guru Sahib instead of Mecca.

Forget about Prophet Muhammad for a second, answer the following questions Pakindi Babar ...

Q1. Do you admit that a 54 year old man who has sex with a 9year old girl is a pedophile?

Q2. Do you accept that those who kill innocent civilians for financial profit can be classed as terrorists?

Q3. Do you accept that rich Slaveowners who sell innocent black African children for profit are wrong?

Q4. Do you admit that a rich Slaveowner who has sex with female slaves is immoral?

Q5. Are you serious in thinking that great Gurmukh Sikhs like Bhai Mardana Ji and those who wrote Gurbani like Baba Kabir Ji Maharaj would believe in a man like Prophet Muhammad who the Quran and Hadiths openly admit was a pedophile, murderer, rapist, slaveowner and terrorist according to all modern day standards?

Well said!

[SikhKosh]

Pointing out faults of Islam is equal to 'racism' according to people lacking grey cells (most Muslims, JagsawSingh etc). Look up what the words you use mean before throwing them around thinking you sound intellectual.

Islam is no race and constructive criticism is no fascism.

[singh598]

Sikhkosh member must be a student of Sarbeet Dunda lol

Fared Ji was of the 11 century and Baba Nanak was only born in 1469

[SikhKosh]

I am a student of Guru Granth Sahib which you clearly have never read. Internal evidence all suggest Bhagat Fareed Ji met Guru Nanak Sahib. People like you even claim Bhagat Kabeer and Bhagat Ravidas never met Guru Nanak Sahib because they were born much before. But the date of births of Bhagats currently accepted are wrong and there is enough proof to say that they were contemponaries of the Guru.

Lets debate instead of crying and labelling each other missionaries, RSS etc. Refute me with the knowledge you posses.

1. Bhagat Fareed referring to the fact that he is a succesor of the Gaddi of Sheikh Fareed in Raag Asa.

ਜਿਸੁ ਆਸਣਿ ਹਮ ਬੈਠੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਬੈਸਿ ਗਇਆ ॥੫॥

That seat, upon which we now sit - many others sat on it and have since departed. ||5||

2. The head of Sheikh Fareeds order is Professor Khalil Nizami. Nizami has confirmed in his book that the Gurbani we have is written by Fareed Sani, the contemponary of Guru Nanak Sahib who was influenced so much by Gurmat that he used unIslamic terms such as Gur, Saadh etc.

You should read a book called Bhagat Bani Ithaas by Gyani Gurdit Singh which clears the issue of Bhagats and Sikhs.