Cartoon Shooting France

[Akalifauj]

Singh558,

Try telling the Iraqi Kurds of Halabja that WMD were a fantasy (1988).

The rest of you,

The very Muslims you are defending regard the entire lot of you and your stock as "infidels".

Defending Muslims? Which phrase or sentence made you think anyone is doing such a thing. The Muslims and the west are cancers to the world. Both want to destroy the world for their own means. I am glad many people have started to understand how both sides are at war over the same piece of candy and will use any means to win the piece of candy. There is a third and fourth cancer waiting to dominate as well, but they are flying under the radar and letting these two bullies weaken each other.

[singh598]

Thanks for the references and I agree with the above but what I am saying is that it is very very wrong to hurt religious feelings and Incite blasphemy

The theatre behzti program was fiercly protested against and Sikhs used violence

[Ranjeet01]

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

If we are all concerned about the religious feelings of muslims hurt by these cartoons, then perhaps everyone should stop these cartoons including in muslim countries.

Mutual respect has to come from all sides, not just one side.

[guruvah]

What these muslims did is psychotic, barbaric and evil and cannot be compared to the cartoonists. If the same was done of Guru Sahib, and "Sikhs" resorted to the same actions by murdering innocent people don't think Guru Sahib will have a smile on his face after seeing those who are supposed to be representing him behave like crazy animals. He would turn his back on them.

Throughout Sikh history tolerance and peace was a powerful tool in Sikhi. Guru Sahib portrayed humility and tolerance in numerous accounts when he had been disrespected by others. For instance, Guru Amar Das Jee was kicked by Datu and did not show hate back. Guru Arjun Dev Jee was tortured in horrible ways and Pir Mian Mir wished to turn the muslim army into ashes with his shakti but Guru Sahib refused and told them that it was Vaheguru’s sweet will. In 1978, Shaheed Fauja Singh and the other Shaheeds went to have a peaceful protest, not to slaughter the Nirankaris, who were slandering Guru Sahib. These are all worse accounts than drawings, so wake up!

Sikhs are supposed to represent Guru Sahib, we were created to show the world a better standard of living such as create a peaceful world, respect others, care, tolerance and protect others, not to put fear into others, bully them and terrorize them. In the end who would do the most damage to Sikhi and Guru Sahib, the cartoonist or the murderous "Sikhs"?

I'm shocked that the people here are caring more about the terrorists than the innocent people who were murdered. Those people need to take a good look in the mirror and think about changing and becoming better Sikhs for Guru Sahib.

You are trying to connect different scenarios and basically trying to assimilate to make a logic. Political correctness solves nothing also.

What Guru Arjan Dev Sahib endured, what he was afflicted to him, Guru Sahib accepted it as will of Vaheguroo.

The same Guru Arjan Dev Sahib maharaj also cursed Satta & Balwand with leprosy when they slandered his Guru, Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj. The rest is known in history...

In 1978, when Singhs were attacked they also fought back in defense. Singhs were shasterdhari and tyar ber tyar!

Slanderers of Satguroo are highly cursed in Gurbani even, I dont need to quote evidence is abundant in gurbani for those who read!

Rehitnamah also clearly said,

Gur Ki Ninda Sune Na Kaan...

The Muslim revere their Prophet and took great offense at the mocking. I have seen the cartoons, and clearly the cartoonist attempted to demonize and ridicule Mohammed.

Unconditional love & complete obedience for one spiritual master/Guru/Prophet is something unknown to the western world. Nor they comprehend it....

thats why atheism and agnosticism originates from west and is advocated by it...

[jkvlondon]

The magazine was struggling and was about to fail , but due to all the media now they will be stronger as they produce their first million plus copy run after so many decades ...My personal feeling is that the French Govt played the magazine staff and knew that something would occur which would make the Public easier to manage into an anti-islamic stance . My guess is that they didn't expect so many lives would lost but to win over the populace they would be willing o sacrifice those individuals.

Now we can see there has been violent comeback from French ...there has been a bombing of a mosque

[BSingh87]

You are trying to connect different scenarios and basically trying to assimilate to make a logic. Political correctness solves nothing also.

What Guru Arjan Dev Sahib endured, what he was afflicted to him, Guru Sahib accepted it as will of Vaheguroo.

The same Guru Arjan Dev Sahib maharaj also cursed Satta & Balwand with leprosy when they slandered his Guru, Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj. The rest is known in history...

In 1978, when Singhs were attacked they also fought back in defense. Singhs were shasterdhari and tyar ber tyar!

Slanderers of Satguroo are highly cursed in Gurbani even, I dont need to quote evidence is abundant in gurbani for those who read!

Rehitnamah also clearly said,

Gur Ki Ninda Sune Na Kaan...

The Muslim revere their Prophet and took great offense at the mocking. I have seen the cartoons, and clearly the cartoonist attempted to demonize and ridicule Mohammed.

Unconditional love & complete obedience for one spiritual master/Guru/Prophet is something unknown to the western world. Nor they comprehend it....

thats why atheism and agnosticism originates from west and is advocated by it...

We all know that those who slander anyone especially those of a pure heart are cursing themselves. When did I say in my post that what these cartoonists are doing is good and fun? They lack morals and that is why they do not understand that to respect others is to show understanding, maturity and care but they think it shows fear and lack of “freedom”. So how do you respond to that? By showing them that you lack even more morals by killing them? Or by dealing with it peacefully through protest and petitions?

Your sense of Unconditional love and complete obedience is mistaken and doesn’t mean to murder a slanderer. Also, what does to fight back in defence mean? It means if someone is physically attacking you, you will fight in defence and that cannot be compared to verbal abuse such as the cartoonists. Shasterdhari? Sikhs wear a Kirpan to protect others, not to kill like barbarians.

Atheism and agnosticism isn’t a crime and are not causing harm to others, and some of those who live under such ways have shown to be better people by living with each other more peacefully compared to some of those who are part of a religion. Many Muslims have proven this by killing others and even those from their own community and so have those Buddhists living in Sri Lanka by killing Muslims. Look at how segregated Sikhs are amongst each other. It is better to look at the positive side of everything, rather than insulting western lifestyle.

[Pakandi baba]

Pakhandi Baba the very people you are defending believe in a God who has decreed:

'...the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam' (Koran 3:19), I have referenced the verse in case you have any doubts. Furthermore:

"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77) . Thus any Muslim, worth his salt, would not go against the grain and attempt to question some of the more controversial teachings of Islam. The Sixth Shia Imam, Jafar Sadiq once captured the Islamic mentality, in regards to self scrutiny and criticism, by saying: 'One who exposes something from our religion is like one who intentionally kills us.' And here is the conclusive peace:

‘ The blood of a Muslim is illicit to shed except for one of three reasons: a married adulterer must be stoned; one who wilfully commits murder must be put to death; and a man who comes out of Islam and fights Allah and His Prophet must be put to death or crucified or banished from the earth.’

And the latter process is called Irtidad. Do not defend the ideology of Islam because then you would end up having to defend, the Mongols, Mughals, Taliban, Al-Qaidi, Deobandis, and 9/11. If anything defend Muslims as humans who can be made to see reality. Do not force them deeper into their pre-Modern Arabian mentality by playing the 'if an ideology is a religion, it must be good' game.

Pakhandi Baba the very people you are defending believe in a God who has decreed:

'...the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam' (Koran 3:19), I have referenced the verse in case you have any doubts. Furthermore:

"The Holy Prophet himself forbade people to ask questions ...so do not try to probe into such things." (The Meaning of the Qur'an, Maududi, vol. III, pgs. 76-77) . Thus any Muslim, worth his salt, would not go against the grain and attempt to question some of the more controversial teachings of Islam. The Sixth Shia Imam, Jafar Sadiq once captured the Islamic mentality, in regards to self scrutiny and criticism, by saying: 'One who exposes something from our religion is like one who intentionally kills us.' And here is the conclusive peace:

‘ The blood of a Muslim is illicit to shed except for one of three reasons: a married adulterer must be stoned; one who wilfully commits murder must be put to death; and a man who comes out of Islam and fights Allah and His Prophet must be put to death or crucified or banished from the earth.’

And the latter process is called Irtidad. Do not defend the ideology of Islam because then you would end up having to defend, the Mongols, Mughals, Taliban, Al-Qaidi, Deobandis, and 9/11. If anything defend Muslims as humans who can be made to see reality. Do not force them deeper into their pre-Modern Arabian mentality by playing the 'if an ideology is a religion, it must be good' game.

You read the Shri Guru Granth Sahib? or know of its contents? is their any mention in it of the Quran, Prophets being evil or insulting in any way to ANY religion?

[guruvah]

Atheism and agnosticism isn’t a crime and are not causing harm to others, and some of those who live under such ways have shown to be better people by living with each other more peacefully compared to some of those who are part of a religion.

I was going to respond to you but reading that line proved you dont have Tat Gurmat ideals as per Gurbanee. Any Gursikh who delves into Gurbanee knows well the stance of Sree Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj on such people.(atheist & agnostic).

Hence, giving you the privilege of a response is a waste of time.

[Jonny101]

I've seen the cartoons, and to be fair they are extremely offensive. That being said, the Muslims did not handle the situation smartly. They unnecessarily killed a lot of innocent people like that police man who was on the ground for no reason. Now they have united the whole western world against them. In Germany, the people have been doing these anti Islam protests for weeks now and it will probably start getting bigger from this point onward. This act of terrorism by Muslims is the kind of thing the far right parties in europe were just waiting for. Now they will start winning elections in a lot of countries.

One of the side effects of this anti Islam back lash is that it also creates an anti Sikh backlash because westerners cannot tell the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. Sikhs in continental Europe should be very careful.

[kharkusingh1996]

I've seen the cartoons, and to be fair they are extremely offensive. That being said, the Muslims did not handle the situation smartly. They unnecessarily killed a lot of innocent people like that police man who was on the ground for no reason. Now they have united the whole western world against them. In Germany, the people have been doing these anti Islam protests for weeks now and it will probably start getting bigger from this point onward. This act of terrorism by Muslims is the kind of thing the far right parties in europe were just waiting for. Now they will start winning elections in a lot of countries.

One of the side effects of this anti Islam back lash is that it also creates an anti Sikh backlash because westerners cannot tell the difference between Muslims and Sikhs. Sikhs in continental Europe should be very careful.

Its been like that ever since 9/11. Oak Creek gurdwara shooting had minimum media coverage and only few were educated hence it had little affect of Westerns view of turbans and who Sikhs are. Its sad Sikhs have to be shot/killed or beaten up to get other people's attention to educate them about who we are. Sticking with this topic, The French government should of stepped in their work was going over the line and the Muslims targeting them was unjust and literally backlashed against their own people.