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The headline of this article is a bunch of fluffy, incorrigible idealism. These Ahmadiyya Muslims who visited the temple belong to a group that exists on the very margins of Islam. Its adherents are regarded as base heretics even by other Muslims, as with the Sufis. Sunni Islam is the particular variety of the faith practiced with most frequency in the area.

I live in the area to which this article pertains, I can attest that things are not very good between the Sikhs and the Sunni (Pakistani/Somali) Muslims. Not very bad, it has to be said, but not positive either. This is unlikely to change.

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The headline of this article is a bunch of fluffy, incorrigible idealism. These Ahmadiyya Muslims who visited the temple belong to a group that exists on the very margins of Islam. Its adherents are regarded as base heretics even by other Muslims, as with the Sufis. Sunni Islam is the particular variety of the faith practiced with most frequency in the area.

I live in the area to which this article pertains, I can attest that things are not very good between the Sikhs and the Sunni (Pakistani/Somali) Muslims. Not very bad, it has to be said, but not positive either. This is unlikely to change.

You only hear about interfaith harmony and community cohesion when muslims are involved.

Relations between muslims and the majority non-muslims is not great, relations within muslim communities are not great either.

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The news story itself is testament to the uneducated society we live in. Badly educated news reporters who know no better write articles for a largely badly educated readership that know no better. Before you know it, we're all swimming in a cess-pool of misinformation.

As ASKhalsa1 said above, the Ahmaddias (or Quadians as they and we call them) are not considered Muslim. Muslims, throughout the world, and the Pakistan constitution itself, officially classify them as a distinct religion entirely seperate from Islam. Thus, they are hated by Muslims.

This in itself makes a mockery of the 'news' article.

But, there's an added feature. The Ahammdya religion has its roots in the Sikh heartlands of Punjab. The spiritual home of their religion is the area around the village of Quadian in district Gurdaspur in Punjab. Thus, they have always, since day one, been heavily influenced by the teachings of Guru Nanak Dev ji specifically and Sikhism in general.

All of which makes the news article at best factually incorrect but at worst a pathetic lie.

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ahmediya qadiyans are kafirs to most mainstream shia and sunni muslims since they have another prophet after muhammad.

Ahmediya muslims were created by the british rulers when they were ruling india to split and tame the muslim population who were violent against british rule. The British also made ahmediya promote anti-sikh sentiments amoung the the rest of the muslim populations which lead to a huge genocide against our people in 1947. And like karma they are now suffering at the hands of their own muslim brothers for their misdeads to the Sikhs pre-partition.

How Sikhs let ahmediyas have their headquarters in indian punjab i will never know but its very dangerous for Sikh majority state to allow any sizeable muslim demographic population to remain. More over kashmir should have been taken over by Sikhs long ago if they had any wisedom but now they are surrounded by all sides by large muslim demographic populations any future conflict will make it extremely difficult for Sikhs to maintain their hold on Indian punjab and muslim religious leaders are already planning for their eventual take over of northern india by sheer demographic numbers. Only the Hindu extremists have the resources and manpower to keep a check on islamic ambitions on northern india.

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Are you sure ?

I ask because seeing how their religion was created at the same time as Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji in the 1500's and in the same majha heartlands that Sikhi was taking shape did the British, who arrived in Punjab nearly 300 years later in the 1800's, cleverly and sneakingly engineer a time machine that could take them back 3 centuries in order to 'create' splits and divisions ?

The Ahmadiya Muslim Jamaat movement started by the teaching of Mirza Gulam Ahmad of Qadian (in District Gurdaspur). At the time of fall of Sikh Raj he was about 12 years of age (in 1849) In his youth he was very much impressed by Guru Nanaks ‘s thought. But at the same time he could not breakaway from Quaran. However that mixing two thoughts was the start of his spiritual journey. Later he claimed that he is the divine reformer who was prophesied / promised by some Muslim fakirs to make Islam universal in character. (similar to Guru Nanak’s thought that of a religion based on universality of God ).

Ahmadiya Muslim Jamaat Movement started about the same time when Hindu Arya Smaj movement started in Punjab. It was encouraged by the British. Mirza Gulam Ahmad died in early 1900. ( about 1908 - 1909)

The early Ahmadiyas had great respect for Guru Nanak. But they considered him (guru Nanak) a reformer/philosopher. Alama Iqbal ( the famous poet), in his early youth was follower of Ahmadiya movement and a great admirer of Guru Nanak Dev. But later he turned Sunni Muslim and was the one who started the idea of forming Pakistan even before Mr. Jinah did. Mr Jinah took that idea and and moved ahead with that.

No their religious movement did not start in 1500s . No their religion was not created at the same time as Guru Nanak ji's s

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How Sikhs let ahmediyas have their headquarters in indian punjab i will never know but its very dangerous for Sikh majority state to allow any sizeable muslim demographic population to remain. More over kashmir should have been taken over by Sikhs long ago if they had any wisedom but now they are surrounded by all sides by large muslim demographic populations any future conflict will make it extremely difficult for Sikhs to maintain their hold on Indian punjab and muslim religious leaders are already planning for their eventual take over of northern india by sheer demographic numbers. Only the Hindu extremists have the resources and manpower to keep a check on islamic ambitions on northern india.

Jammu and Kashmir was taken for the Lahore Durbar in 1808. Maharaja Ranjit Singh however made the mistake of allowing control of the province to the treacherous Gulab Singh Dogra, who during the Anglo Sikhs wars went over to the East India Company. It also bears mentioning that even when the Sikhs were the overlords of northwestern India, they were still surrounded and vastly outnumbered by Muslims, who constituted approximately 70% of the Sikh Empire's population (Hindus 20%, Sikhs just 10%). But I agree, the Sikhs missed out on an opportunity. In 1783 Jassa Singh Ahluwalia had reached entered the gates of Delhi, and established himself in the Red Fort. If he had just remained there rather than made a treaty with the Mughals and left, the history of our people from then on would have been very different. Our history is a tragic tapestry of missed opportunities. We could have ruled the whole of India for god's sake.

Sikh leaders cosying up to these Ahmadiyyas, and indeed other Muslims, doesn't surprise me in the least. In the decades post-1984, the anti-Hindu sentiment of certain Sikh groups has caused them to retreat from one enemy into the arms of another. For instance, our misguided brothers in the militant/shaheed outfits establishing training camps in Pakistan, ie. enemy territory. Talk about what the Hindus did in 1984, have we forgotten what these people have been doing to us since the very genesis of our religion? It seems the more we try to distance ourselves from the Hindus, the more we become like the fundamentalist Muslims.

I'm not sympathetic to the failed, experimental patchwork that is the nation of India, but my dislike for it didn't stop me from feeling revolted when Simranjit Singh Mann started shouting 'Pakistan Zindabaad' after it recognised the Anand Karaj.

Sikhs cannot trust anyone in the subcontinent, not the Indians and not the Muslims. The Brahmins and the Mullahs would both love to see us on our knees. We should have no complete trust in anyone but ourselves. Panth Khalsa should trust Panth Khalsa alone.

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It is meaningless since Ahmadis are not even considered Muslim by Muslims. It would be better if it was mainstream Muslims.

The Ahmadiya Muslim Jamaat movement started by the teaching of Mirza Gulam Ahmad of Quadian (in District Gurdaspur). At the time of fall of Sikh Raj he was about 12 years of age (in 1849) In his youth he was very much impressed by Guru Nanaks ‘s thought. But at the same time he could not breakaway from Quaran. However that mixing two thoughts was the start of his spiritual journey. Later he claimed that he is the divine reformer who was prophized / promised by some Muslim fakirs to make Islam universal in character. (similar to Guru Nanak’s thought that of a religion based on universality of God ).

Ahmadiya Muslim Jamat Movement started about the same time when Hindu Arya Smaj movement started in Punjab. It was encouraged by the British. Mirza Gulam Ahmad died in early 1900. ( about 1908 - 1909)

The early Ahmadiyas had great respect for Guru Nanak. But they considered him (guru Nanak) a reformer/philosopher. Alama Iqbal ( the famous poet), in his early youth was follower of Ahmadiya movement and a great admirer of Guru Nanak Dev. But later he turned Sunni Muslim and was the one who started the idea of forming Pakistan even before Mr. Jinah did. Mr Jinah took that idea and and moved ahead with that.

No their religious movement did not start in 1500s . No their religion was not created at the same time as Guru Nanak ji's s

The Jamaat Ahmadiyya founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a strange man. In order to lure Sikhs, he created this myth that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee was a Muslim that to this day has created a misconception among Pakistanis who try their best to prove Guru Jee was a Muslim. He even tried to lure Hindus by claiming he is Krishna. He was also the first person who started the whole mess in Kashmir by instigating the Kashmiri Muslims decades before the creation of Pakistan. Iqbal was greatly influenced by this man and it's no coincidence that Iqbal in turn also influenced the likes Jinnah to create Pakistan. During the Pakistan movement, the ahmadis were the only organised Muslim group in Punjab at the time and they fully utilized their organisation to garner support for the Muslim league among Punjabi Muslims. They thought that since they are so close to the British, the British would reward them with the whole Gurdaspur district. But they did not realize that the British are no one's friend. How ironic that they are now the most persecuted people in Pakistan, a country they helped create.

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