Intercaste Marriage - Jat Sikh Girl Vs Ramgharia Boy

[JSinghnz]

I am not casteist mate. I am just trying to say that parents look for good life for their kids and have walked the talk before they talk. In the case of this girl, they are only trying to protect her from the hardships may face due to a situation that be avoided now.

Is your real name Tari Sharma?????

[JSinghnz]

Please don't make it a caste issue. The concern is to make sure that girl doesn't have hardships in life later on. Girls boys fall into relationships and it is an old phenomenon but parents who have already been through that stage of life know better.

I am sure it is natural concern. Our Guru Sahibs maintained these traditions of marrying within the case. It is nothing wrong they did. It is just natural that you want to find a life partner who can identity with the same environment you live in.

Please don't divert it to reflect it as caste discrimination. I go o Gurughar and sit and eat along with low caste and patit sikhs (mona sikhs) or anybody else. That is my dharmic tradition where Guruji has left no scope for caste system.

Bhul chuk muaf

WJKK WJKF

Shame on you for for your nonsensical comments that you sit and eat with low caste and patit Sikhs. These comments confirm that you are a low life Brahman imposter pretending to be a Sikh.

[tarisingh]

Why do u have Singh in your name when u are so obviously a Hindu with your lies against our Guru Sahib.

U support the Hindu caste system so bad so why not just call yourself tariPatel?

No SheikhYoBooty, I didn't say any lies against Guru Sahib. Gangu Brahmin was indeed Guru Sahib's rasoia, who was a brahmin and who cheated Guru Sahib by handing over two sahibjaadaes of Guru Sahib to Mughals. And there were lot of Mazhabis in Guru Sahib ladli fauj.

And Guru Sahibs married into Khatri caste. Please don't call names and please let's discuss on the topic.

[tarisingh]

Shame on you for for your nonsensical comments that you sit and eat with low caste and patit Sikhs. These comments confirm that you are a low life Brahman imposter pretending to be a Sikh.

Brother, this is the problem. I know caste system exists and if we have to remove this ill from Sikhi and if someone says that it exists then why do you start calling names? Do you not know that here in UK, in India there are so many killings in the name of caste system in Punjab itself. I am not saying they are right.

Int he context of this discussion, I am just saying as a parent or what a parent feels when they look for a potential son-in-law or daughter-in-law. Caste does play very importnt role still and it has always played an important role. I am realistic. If both parent had no issues then no issues and one set of parents has issues then why not guide someone to chose a path which is better. That's it.

Bhul chuk muaf veerji

WJKK WJKF

[dontcallmebhaji]

THERE IS NO TWELTH GURU AND NEVER WILL BE.......... GURU GRANT SAHIB JI IS WHAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW, ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE THE 12TH GURU IS DILUTING OUR RELIGION AND MAKING IT WEAK AND THUS LOSING RESPECT AND CREDIBILITY...... THESE PEOPLE PREY ON PEOPLES IGNORANCES OF OUR RELIGION........MORE GENERIC SIKH AWARENESS TO ALL OUR YOUTH...........As you can see i am quite passionate about this.

Brother, this is the problem. I know caste system exists and if we have to remove this ill from Sikhi and if someone says that it exists then why do you start calling names? Do you not know that here in UK, in India there are so many killings in the name of caste system in Punjab itself. I am not saying they are right.

Int he context of this discussion, I am just saying as a parent or what a parent feels when they look for a potential son-in-law or daughter-in-law. Caste does play very importnt role still and it has always played an important role. I am realistic. If both parent had no issues then no issues and one set of parents has issues then why not guide someone to chose a path which is better. That's it.

Bhul chuk muaf veerji

WJKK WJKF

well said bhaji

[dontcallmebhaji]

JSinghnz,

The Ravidaasia community have elevated Bhagat Ravidass Ji to the status of Guru Ravidass Ji. In otherwords, with the inclusion of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, there would be 12 guru's in total. This is incompatible with Sikhi.

THERE IS NO TWELTH GURU AND NEVER WILL BE.......... GURU GRANT SAHIB JI IS WHAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW, ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE THE 12TH GURU IS DILUTING OUR RELIGION AND MAKING IT WEAK AND THUS LOSING RESPECT AND CREDIBILITY...... THESE PEOPLE PREY ON PEOPLES IGNORANCES OF OUR RELIGION........MORE GENERIC SIKH AWARENESS TO ALL OUR YOUTH...........As you can see i am quite passionate about this.

[SheikhYoBooty]

Our Guru Sahibs maintained these traditions of marrying within the caste.

It is just natural that you want to find a life partner who can identity

I go to Gurughar

along with low caste and patit sikhs

This exposes u as a Hindu infiltraitor. And since when did Patel become a high caste that u can call Sikhs "low caste"?

Don't repeat Mughal lies against Guru Sahib in order to justify marrying some Jatti your parents choose for u

Guru Sahib's rasoia, who was a brahmin

And Guru Sahibs married into Khatri caste.

Again u repeat the same lie + no Guru Sahib didn't discriminate on the basis of caste by picking a Brahmin for a job!

How dare you!?

For example, it was a a very popular thing that kings of the time used to have Brahmin Rasoiass and Guru Sahib rasoia was also Gangu Brahmin not a Majhabi or someone like that, it was particularly a Brahmin.. Same way all Guru Sahib respected the caste system at the time of their marriage. They married into Khatri jaat. There is nothing wrong in it. These are traditions. Guru Ji has said clearly in Bani "manas ki jaar sabhae ekae pehchaanvo" but for social mixing, marriages etc. we should marry in our own jaat/caste/biradari.

It's obvious u are a Hindu but u deliberately use a picture of Nihangs to try + fool us.

But with the lies u have said against Guru Sahib i see exactly who u are + your agenda on this forum.

You should use Ajit Poohla the Nang as your avatar!

Nang Ajit Poohla

Informant of the Police

During the government of Barnala in Punjab, Poohla was hired as a 'Cat' under the command of S.S.P. Muhammad Izhaar Alam and was provided with weapons and security guards. Some of his duties were to harass and terrorize the families of Sikh freedom fighters, challenge the Sikh fighters through the newspapers to fight his group and take over the historic Gurdwaras. The government intended to take over the historic Gurdwaras through Poohla and use them against the Sikh movement. With the support of the government, Poohla became so corrupt and a characterless person that no woman ever dared to leave her house.

To challenge the Sikh fighters, Poohla with the help of Jeevan Umranangal started a new political party called “Jagat Akali Dal” which was named after Lala Jagat Narayan. Lala Jagat Narayan was a fundamentalist Arya Samaji Hindu who spewed poison against the Sikhs in his newspaper for which he was killed later. Umranangal’s son Sukhdev was killed by Sikh fighters. After his death, Umranangal’s second son, Paramraj was hired as an S.P. of Criminal branch by Ribiero. Through Paramraj, Poohla became friend with many of the corrupt police officers and by using their help, Phoola collected large sum of money from many rich families and shared his wealth with them.

Not only did he commit adultery with eunuchs, he was know for putting his hands on every woman or girl he came into contact with. Swaranjit Singh decided to part company with him, but he soon found out that leaving Poohla’s gang was the same as calling on death. It is a tradition that Nihungs have to ask their leader before leaving them. Nihung Thaan Singh, the son of Bhai Kapoor Singh, wanted to leave Poohla’s group and asked for permission. When Poohla was asked for permission, Poohla replied:

“Ya! He wants to leave, send him to the future.” So Thaan Singh was beaten up and then burned alive at dera Jhootha in Kartarpur. The same thing happened to one of his companions named Savinder Singh. He also wanted to leave Poohla. Savinder Singh, also called Thattha Fauji, was from a village named Reaali Bhangali. A hymn singer named Gurdial Singh was also killed as he was handed over to police officer Paramraj Umranangal.

Links of Poohla and Nangs to Punjab Police

Swaranjit Singh and other witnesses state that police officers Paramraj Umranangal, Sumaid Saini, Ajit Sandhu, Jasminder and some other police officers frequently visited Poohla and they all drank liquor together. Many times police officers asked Poohla to give them some people so they could kill them to show police encounters. Sometimes Poohla sent people from his own gang and other times he sent people from other states to the police officers. People come from other states come to Punjab to earn a living. Poohla did this so his police officers friends could get higher ranks and then provide support to Poohla in return. For these favors, Poohla received weapons, tractors, automobiles, jeeps, etc. from police officers. These items were usually the property of innocent people who were killed in fake encounters or were the property of soldiers who died fighting for freedom for the Sikh nation. Poohla even received Nishan Sahibs, which were raised in memory of Sikhs who died for Khalistan, from police officers. Poohla usually sold these items to others. Any illegal drugs that were seized were sent to Poohla in government vehicles.

Rapes by the Nang Poohla

A woman named Amriko from Amarkoat who was a well known friend of Poohla supplied girls to him. Poohla killed many people for her, so she could take over lands of people by force. Poohla used his buddy police officers to get her an honorable award from the Indian government.

According to Swaranjit Singh, Poohla would also get familiar with the wives of people in his gang. No one spoke against him in fear. At the start, Poohla had a hobby of having sexual intercourse with older women but then his tast in women turned to young girls. It was atrocious when this monster criminal grabbed a 7 year old daughter of a nihung who had come to his dera. The girl’s mother was dead. Poohla took her to the basement in his complex in village Poohla and raped her all night. The little girl died screaming and crying in pain. When her father tried to save the honour of his daughter, he was beaten up and barely managed to escape with his own life. The girl’s dead body was cut into small pieces and thrown into the river Beas near Sri Hargobindpur.

Everyone who Poohla killed was usually cut into pieces and thrown into this river. When he reached the river, he would cut the body into small pieces, and then Poohla threw each piece into the river himself. In the end, he held the head from the hair and threw it hard into the river while saying:

“Come on friend, now you've become feed for fish. Then while drugged, he told his drugged up friends,

“Don’t catch fish from that area for two to three days, the food which we just fed the fish, let them digest it first, we will eat them after.”

The tactics Poohla used to torture others were also monstrous. A person was laid belly down and one of Poohla’s gang members was told to sit on the hip. Then the feet of the victim were lifted up. Poohla beat up the victim until his feet were swollen with soreness.

There was also a member of Poohla’s gang named Hassan. He was also known as trap. He was a native of village Bhumboeee. He tied a person’s both hands together at the wrists facing downward. Then he slowly rotated the arms to bring the hands toward the head. The person being tortured cried out loud in pain but no one from the Indian justice system heard the pains.

Dayal Singh, son of Mahil Singh, from the same Bhumboeee village had a mare (female horse) that danced. Wassan told Poohla about this horse. Poohla asked for the mare but the poor man had his daily living from the mare. He told Poohla that the mare belongs to his brother. Hearing this, Poohla decided to teach Dayal Singh a lesson. One day Dayal Singh went to sell his wheat crop to the market and from there Wassan fooled him and took him to Poohla.

Poohla and Amriko ordered him to be laid down for not giving the mare. Poohla’s thugs started hitting the poor man with the backs of their guns to show their loyalty towards Poohla. He was beaten and repeatedly asked if he was going to give the mare. Dayal Singh kept on saying that the horse belonged to his brother. Getting hit with the guns, his head was now open and Poohla then ordered Wassan to play his trap. Unable to take all the torture, Dayal Singh died on the spot. Dayal Singh’s dead body was also thrown into the river. Poohla and Amriko ordered this torture and were directly responsible for Dayal’s death. Sometimes Poohla repeatedly hit people in the head with the heels of his boots and made their heads bleed.

[tarisingh]

I agree no twelfth Guru. If people have to call Ravidass Bhagat as Guru, tell them to go their own way, keep their own book, not our Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

They don't prey on our ignorance, they just overrule what Guru Sahib has dictated us i.e. Guru Manyo Granth. And with that Guru Sahib has stopped all lineage of Gurus. Tomorrow these people would say make Ravidass first Guru as he was older than Satguru Nanak Dev Ji. Where would it stop?

As they say, "if you are in Rome, do as the Roman do". If they want to keep Sri Guru Granth Sahib in Raviadss temples then they should stop calling Ravidass as Guru. There is one and only one Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, yugon-yug atal.

WJKK WJKF

THERE IS NO TWELTH GURU AND NEVER WILL BE.......... GURU GRANT SAHIB JI IS WHAT WE SHOULD ALL FOLLOW, ANYONE CLAIMING TO BE THE 12TH GURU IS DILUTING OUR RELIGION AND MAKING IT WEAK AND THUS LOSING RESPECT AND CREDIBILITY...... THESE PEOPLE PREY ON PEOPLES IGNORANCES OF OUR RELIGION........MORE GENERIC SIKH AWARENESS TO ALL OUR YOUTH...........As you can see i am quite passionate about this.

[tarisingh]

Sheikh, you should stick to the discussion please.And stop using nonsense arguments of Phoola Singh etc...I don't care about him.. My profile picture is just a picture. If you look at your profile picture, does that describe you veer jio?

WJKK WJKF

This exposes u as a Hindu infiltraitor. And since when did Patel become a high caste that u can call Sikhs "low caste"?

Don't repeat Mughal lies against Guru Sahib in order to justify marrying some Jatti your parents choose for u

Again u repeat the same lie + no Guru Sahib didn't discriminate on the basis of caste by picking a Brahmin for a job!

How dare you!?

It's obvious u are a Hindu but u deliberately use a picture of Nihangs to try + fool us.

But with the lies u have said against Guru Sahib i see exactly who u are + your agenda on this forum.

You should use Ajit Poohla the Nang as your avatar!

Moral Corruption of Nang Ajit Poohla

Burned Nang Ajit Poohla

Not only did he commit adultery with eunuchs, he was know for putting his hands on every woman or girl he came into contact with. Swaranjit Singh decided to part company with him, but he soon found out that leaving Poohla’s gang was the same as calling on death. It is a tradition that Nihungs have to ask their leader before leaving them. Nihung Thaan Singh, the son of Bhai Kapoor Singh, wanted to leave Poohla’s group and asked for permission. When Poohla was asked for permission, Poohla replied:

“Ya! He wants to leave, send him to the future.” So Thaan Singh was beaten up and then burned alive at dera Jhootha in Kartarpur. The same thing happened to one of his companions named Savinder Singh. He also wanted to leave Poohla. Savinder Singh, also called Thattha Fauji, was from a village named Reaali Bhangali. A hymn singer named Gurdial Singh was also killed as he was handed over to police officer Paramraj Umranangal.

Links of Poohla and Nangs to Punjab Police

Swaranjit Singh and other witnesses state that police officers Paramraj Umranangal, Sumaid Saini, Ajit Sandhu, Jasminder and some other police officers frequently visited Poohla and they all drank liquor together. Many times police officers asked Poohla to give them some people so they could kill them to show police encounters. Sometimes Poohla sent people from his own gang and other times he sent people from other states to the police officers. People come from other states come to Punjab to earn a living. Poohla did this so his police officers friends could get higher ranks and then provide support to Poohla in return. For these favors, Poohla received weapons, tractors, automobiles, jeeps, etc. from police officers. These items were usually the property of innocent people who were killed in fake encounters or were the property of soldiers who died fighting for freedom for the Sikh nation. Poohla even received Nishan Sahibs, which were raised in memory of Sikhs who died for Khalistan, from police officers. Poohla usually sold these items to others. Any illegal drugs that were seized were sent to Poohla in government vehicles.

Rapes by the Nang Poohla

A woman named Amriko from Amarkoat who was a well known friend of Poohla supplied girls to him. Poohla killed many people for her, so she could take over lands of people by force. Poohla used his buddy police officers to get her an honorable award from the Indian government.

According to Swaranjit Singh, Poohla would also get familiar with the wives of people in his gang. No one spoke against him in fear. At the start, Poohla had a hobby of having sexual intercourse with older women but then his tast in women turned to young girls. It was atrocious when this monster criminal grabbed a 7 year old daughter of a nihung who had come to his dera. The girl’s mother was dead. Poohla took her to the basement in his complex in village Poohla and raped her all night. The little girl died screaming and crying in pain. When her father tried to save the honour of his daughter, he was beaten up and barely managed to escape with his own life. The girl’s dead body was cut into small pieces and thrown into the river Beas near Sri Hargobindpur.

Everyone who Poohla killed was usually cut into pieces and thrown into this river. When he reached the river, he would cut the body into small pieces, and then Poohla threw each piece into the river himself. In the end, he held the head from the hair and threw it hard into the river while saying:

“Come on friend, now you've become feed for fish. Then while drugged, he told his drugged up friends,

“Don’t catch fish from that area for two to three days, the food which we just fed the fish, let them digest it first, we will eat them after.”

The tactics Poohla used to torture others were also monstrous. A person was laid belly down and one of Poohla’s gang members was told to sit on the hip. Then the feet of the victim were lifted up. Poohla beat up the victim until his feet were swollen with soreness.

There was also a member of Poohla’s gang named Hassan. He was also known as trap. He was a native of village Bhumboeee. He tied a person’s both hands together at the wrists facing downward. Then he slowly rotated the arms to bring the hands toward the head. The person being tortured cried out loud in pain but no one from the Indian justice system heard the pains.

Dayal Singh, son of Mahil Singh, from the same Bhumboeee village had a mare (female horse) that danced. Wassan told Poohla about this horse. Poohla asked for the mare but the poor man had his daily living from the mare. He told Poohla that the mare belongs to his brother. Hearing this, Poohla decided to teach Dayal Singh a lesson. One day Dayal Singh went to sell his wheat crop to the market and from there Wassan fooled him and took him to Poohla.

Poohla and Amriko ordered him to be laid down for not giving the mare. Poohla’s thugs started hitting the poor man with the backs of their guns to show their loyalty towards Poohla. He was beaten and repeatedly asked if he was going to give the mare. Dayal Singh kept on saying that the horse belonged to his brother. Getting hit with the guns, his head was now open and Poohla then ordered Wassan to play his trap. Unable to take all the torture, Dayal Singh died on the spot. Dayal Singh’s dead body was also thrown into the river. Poohla and Amriko ordered this torture and were directly responsible for Dayal’s death. Sometimes Poohla repeatedly hit people in the head with the heels of his boots and made their heads bleed.

[StarStriker]

No SheikhYoBooty, I didn't say any lies against Guru Sahib. Gangu Brahmin was indeed Guru Sahib's rasoia, who was a brahmin and who cheated Guru Sahib by handing over two sahibjaadaes of Guru Sahib to Mughals. And there were lot of Mazhabis in Guru Sahib ladli fauj.

And Guru Sahibs married into Khatri caste. Please don't call names and please let's discuss on the topic.

We've already said in a previous thread on this forum, that guru tegh bahadur married mata gujjar kaur, who was from the gujjar tribe, not khatri. This is an article saying that fact too.

http://www.boloji.co...&ArticleID=4084

"As late as 1757, Ahmed Shah Abdali carried out a massacre of Jats and Gurjars while invading Mathura, Vrindavan and Gokul during the Holi. But many Gujars had always chosen death to Islam. The most revered instance is that of Mata Gujri ' the mother of Guru Gobind Singh ' who along with her two grandsons Baba Zorawar Singh and Baba Fateh Singh chose to be bricked alive in a wall by Aurengzeb's henchman rather than reciting Kalima".

This is a piece written by priyadarshi dutta.