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They helped us win 2 gold medals at London 2012 in the middle/long distance events which has not been done since the legendary Seb Coe/Steve Cram/Steve Ovette days. They also advertised to the wonders of Quorn mince, and the term "Practice, protein, practice, protein" as well as the Mobot.

The Olympics are vain, just a load of countries posturing and preening like a bunch of teenage boys in the locker room showers. What actual good have Somalis done in Britain?

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Sorry guys, just trying to inject a bit of light hearted humour.

Somalis are mainly refugees they are not economic migrants because of the civil strife in their country after their country got taken over by warlords.

By nature they are a tribal people and when you place them into an alien environment like the UK, they are not going to be adapt as quickly as a Pole or a Chinese person since these people have some assemblance of a civilisation behind them.

If you come from a society that had an agrarian society then moved into an urban/mercantile society with a rich history/culture where you have a system where you understand what money is and what you need to get to move forward. You come from a society that has the necessary complexity to be able to move into another society that also has similar complexities.

Somalia is not a sophisticated society.

I know that in 1991, the US were somehow involved in Somalia (I think there was a film called Black Hawk Down based on it).

You will find Somalis all over the place, they are in Europe, US, Canada etc, we are not the only country to take them in.

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Sorry guys, just trying to inject a bit of light hearted humour.

Ah hell, there's no need to apologize for my having so poor a sense of humor as to not see a joke when its right in my face.

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If you come from a society that had an agrarian society then moved into an urban/mercantile society with a rich history/culture where you have a system where you understand what money is and what you need to get to move forward. You come from a society that has the necessary complexity to be able to move into another society that also has similar complexities.

Our parents/grandparents managed the transition from agrarian backwardness to urban progressiveness easily enough. These people have no excuse.

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Sorry guys, just trying to inject a bit of light hearted humour.

Somalis are mainly refugees they are not economic migrants because of the civil strife in their country after their country got taken over by warlords.

Lol yea i know u were.

But if ur gona say all that about somalia, then wat about the afghan sikhs/muslims, who have legged it, and have done incredibly well since 2001-ish? Look at how many ppl from the balkans (former yugoslavia area), all escaping from worn-torn places n situations, to places like germany, switzerland, n.america etc. All of them have gone on to do well. Minus the albanians who seem to specialise in ppl trafficing in london.

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Afghan Sikhs are traders, they are like East African Sikhs who moved to the UK, 40+ years ago. For them it was a much easier transition to leave their market stalls to come to market stalls and shops in the UK. They have the business know how of how to set up a business, how to get suppliers, how to help another Afghan Sikh and give them a leg up. They managed to see the opportunity with the Polish community to open up the Polski Skleps and build up the network infrastructures suppliers from Poland/Germany.

The balkans people are again a much more sophisticated people then the tribal Somalis. They had agriculture, urban society. They had a reasonable education system which produced doctors, engineers etc. Again it is not hard for them to make the transition.

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Afghan Sikhs are traders, they are like East African Sikhs who moved to the UK, 40+ years ago. For them it was a much easier transition to leave their market stalls to come to market stalls and shops in the UK. They have the business know how of how to set up a business, how to get suppliers, how to help another Afghan Sikh and give them a leg up. They managed to see the opportunity with the Polish community to open up the Polski Skleps and build up the network infrastructures suppliers from Poland/Germany.

The balkans people are again a much more sophisticated people then the tribal Somalis. They had agriculture, urban society. They had a reasonable education system which produced doctors, engineers etc. Again it is not hard for them to make the transition.

Geezer u takin the mick or wat? Whether 1 has business acumen or not, these ppl escaping war/retributions/discrimination, have all come here PENNILESS! I kno of a serbian who came here after war broke out in early 90s. He went from doin the crappiest jobs, to eventually openin up his own shop. This isnt jus about openin shops which u keep mentionin, any job in general counts in this argument.

Also remember alot of the e.african asians came here PENNILESS, most of them had their assets stolen by the poonds after bein kicked out. Yet they did all the standard labour work like workin class ppl do. Oh and btw, no mention of BENEFITS, from any of these ppl, unlike those somali kutthey, who shamelessly claim them without a 2nd thought. If ur sayin these ppl r from harsh areas, therefore aint work orientated, well explain their kids then, who jus turn out doin same as them? Pure nonsense defendin these bijjus. Look how long theyve been in ealing.....no contribution at all, jus tax fleecers.

I jus thank god, im not born in that community.

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I like all people (and I'll even start liking Indians once they stop occupying my country illegaly) and I feel blessed to be able to share my country, streets and communities with creeds and cultures from around the world.

I look for the good in all people and I usually find it.

I will say this though, I have tried long and hard but have not been able to find anything positive t say about 2 sets of people : Roma Gypsies and Albanians / Bosnians. We can take it as a given that Bosnians and Albanians are essentially the same group of people seperated by national borders and I've met some truly warm hearted beautiful Irish traveller versions of Gypsies so I'm not talking about them. I've increasingly come to the conclusion that Roma Gypsies and Albanians have absolutely no good aspects to their character. They are essentially 100% scum.

I love everyone else and would love for us to have open borders so that everyone can come and enjoy the same life I've had here.

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People who have built businesses and lose businesses can rebuild again in new environments because they retain knowledge, cultural values and therefore transfer skills into their new environments.

What cultural values and retained skills do you think Somalis brought with them. They have no base to begin with, do you think the work ethic exists in their culture like other culture?They are just tribals that have been transplanted from a very primitive environment into one that is far more advanced one.

You have an issue with Somalis, I'd suggest that you bring it up with the UK government. If you live in West London area, you can also bring it up with the rich Asians (a few of them who were supposedly penniless from East Africa) who have allowed Southall to go to the dogs by buying rows of houses, colluding with the local councils to put these houses through housing associations and moved in a lot of these Somalis whilst they themselves profited have buggered off out of Southall and move into leafier suburbs. Immigration is big business and a lot of other vested interests profit from it also, councils also benefit from it because a bigger population in your borough means that you get more funding from the government.

I do not disagree that the welfare culture is a problem and people can become dependent on it but what do you suggest is done about it?

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Only the Ugandan east African Asians were evicted by Idi Amin. After which the Ugandan economy collapsed because the indigenous population were too dopey to run businesses and lacked skills. These immigrants when they came to the UK were either skilled tradesmen or business people with knowledge of how to run businesses. They weren't uneducated thick freshies. A mix of Sikhs, gujuratis, Muslims.

There are successful Asians and Sikhs across other parts of east Africa who weren't evicted they came over of their own accord, I.e: Kenya, Tanzania, Mombasa etc. Again these people were generally skilled workers or business people

Somalis by comparison have a history of being smugglers, drugs traffickers, truck drivers etc rather than legimate skilled business people.

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