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Have you sat down and thought this one through ? Clearly then, you haven't thought it through because that 'multiculturalism' you complain about is what lets you wear your dastar and kirpan as a rel

would you try one of the new parties like greens or ukip?

- UKIP supports the right of Sikhs to maintain the articles of their faith. You are conflating culture with religion. The two are entirely different. Multiculturalism, though it may have started w

A one policy party? One really ought to do their research before propounding the tired cliches peddled by the PC media. http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Why abstain from voting when you quite clearly believe the conservatives have done the country a lot of good? Other than voting for that party of warmongers themselves there is no better way to ensure that Labour, whom you believe offers nothing, finds its way back into power.

Protest party only. Apne kucche nu vaat na charija emi.

A coalition of Con/Lab would be ideal but I doubt it'll happen.

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Although the tories are doing the right things with economy; i couldnt bring myself voting for them 84 investigation whitewash.

Unless they promise a credible inquiry, voting them is as bad as voting congress in punjab.

Labour/lib dems are unelectable.

Ukip policies are a joke. . A son of an immigrant voting for this party is :D :D

Think il protest vote for an outside bet.

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Although the tories are doing the right things with economy; i couldnt bring myself voting for them 84 investigation whitewash.

Unless they promise a credible inquiry, voting them is as bad as voting congress in punjab.

Labour/lib dems are unelectable.

Ukip policies are a joke. . A son of an immigrant voting for this party is :D :D

Think il protest vote for an outside bet.

The comparison between today's immigrants and those from 50 years ago is naive.

My grandparents came to this country because there was a shortage of labour and therefore a precedent for mass immigration. They worked hard and were law abiding citizens, as most of our people who came to Britain were.

This can't be said for any of the more recent migrant communities, except perhaps for the Polish. By and large (and I know there are exceptions) the Somalis, Romany Gypsies and Pakistanis who have arrived on these shores over the past two decades account for a shockingly disproportionate level of crime in the United Kingdom. They consistently refuse to integrate into society at large. The areas to which they move acquire some of the character of the third world.

Delusional lefties will insist its because these people are mired in poverty, and that crime is the consequence of this poverty. This is absolute nonsense, my grandparents were desperately poor when they came here, they and their three children all slept in one room. All through this they never resorted to illicit means of making money, very few of our people did.

Not all immigrants are of the same character. They don't all come here to work hard. Too many of them come here with the intention of living off of the taxpayers' money.

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The comparison between today's immigrants and those from 50 years ago is naive.

My grandparents came to this country because there was a shortage of labour and therefore a precedent for mass immigration. They worked hard and were law abiding citizens, as most of our people who came to Britain were.

This can't be said for any of the more recent migrant communities, except perhaps for the Polish. By and large (and I know there are exceptions) the Somalis, Romany Gypsies and Pakistanis who have arrived on these shores over the past two decades account for a shockingly disproportionate level of crime in the United Kingdom. They consistently refuse to integrate into society at large. The areas to which they move acquire some of the character of the third world.

Delusional lefties will insist its because these people are mired in poverty, and that crime is the consequence of this poverty. This is absolute nonsense, my grandparents were desperately poor when they came here, they and their three children all slept in one room. All through this they never resorted to illicit means of making money, very few of our people did.

Not all immigrants are of the same character. They don't all come here to work hard. Too many of them come here with the intention of living off of the taxpayers' money.

Ever had a look at your own community dude?

Welcome to the Slums of Southall: How unscrupulous landlords have illegally built squalid back garden homes for immigrants

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049676/Welcome-Slums-Southall-How-unscrupulous-landlords-illegally-built-squalid-homes-immigrants.html#ixzz3SWTAideL

A TORY councillor has sparked fury after declaring 'criminality is endemic' in Southall and claiming its Indian community 'exploits their own people in squalid third world living conditions.'

Benjamin Dennehy, who represents residents in Hanger Hill, made the controversial comments on his blog on Tuesday (6) where he said the number of illegal immigrants in Southall was a 'constant on the public purse.'

Mr Dennehy wrote: "Southall is a constant on the public purse in Ealing. It is home to the worst concentration of illegal immigrants in the UK. It has gambling, drinking, drug, prostitution and crime issues unlike many other parts of London.

"It is a largely Indian community who say they deplore this behaviour but yet it is that very same community that harbours and exploits their own people in squalid third world living conditions."

Labour councillor Shital Manro called the comments 'outrageous' and intends to lodge a formal complaint to Ealing Council's board of standards, which monitors the code and conduct of councillors.

"It's very offensive," he said. "He's virtually calling the whole Indian community gamblers, drug addicts and prostitutes and that only in Southall this occurs.

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/tory-councillors-outrageous-southall-slur-5978511

Sikhs are the second most segregated religious community, after Jews.

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialibrary/briefingsupdated/more-segregation-or-more-mixing.pdf

Also, lol @ thinking Pakistani and Romanian immigrants "account for a disproportionately shocking amount of crime"..not compared to other immigrants

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2867783/12-000-Size-army-foreign-criminals-living-Britain-today-including-700-murderers-500-rapists.html

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So Qwe123 as a Pakistani Muslim yourself u must be very proud that Somali + Pakistani's are in top 6 of crime, huh?

Obviously a further source of your pride must be that Pakistani Muslims lead the tables in cases of sexual grooming.

Well i'm glad u finally have something to be proud of at long last.

Are u also proud of Prophet Muhammad being a pedophile + rapist?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCz9MXmcsw

TheReligionofPeace.com

Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the

Religion of Peace

Teach About...

The Sex Life of the Prophet

Question:

Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?

Summary Answer:

The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4). Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time.

He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those slaves whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given.

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.

Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).

Additional Notes:

Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 53-year-old man sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Muhammad was a pedophile.

Some Muslims respond by denying the hadith itself, which is a mistake. The accounts of Muhammad sleeping with a 9-year-old are no less reliable than those on which the five pillars of Islam are based. They have been an accepted part of tradition and did not become controversial until social mores began to change with the modern age.

The charge of pedophilia may or may not be true, depending on how it is defined. Technically, Muhammad did have a sexual relationship with a child, but Aisha was also the youngest of his twelve wives. Zaynab was in her 30's when she attracted the unquenchable lust of the prophet. We don't know the age of Muhammad's sex slaves. They may or may not have been as young as Aisha, but there is no point in speculating.

Prior to the medical advances of the last century, marriage occurred at a much younger age across all societies. When life expectancy was in the mid 20's (or lower), it made no sense to wait until 19 to start having children; otherwise, one ran the risk of not being around to raise them. In short, childhood as we know it was abbreviated by the reality of the times.

Another strong piece of evidence against Muhammad being a pedophile is that, according to the same Hadith, he waited from the time Aisha was six (when the marriage ceremony took place) until she turned nine to consummate the relationship. Although the text doesn't say why, in all probability it was because he was waiting for her to begin menstrual cycles - thus entering into "womanhood." It is unlikely that a pedophile would be concerned about this.

On the other hand, Muhammad passed down revelations from Allah that clearly condoned sleeping with underage girls, even by the standard of puberty. Qur'an (65:4) relates rules for divorce, one of them being that a waiting period of three months is established to determine that the woman is not pregnant. But the same rule applies to "those too who have not had their courses," meaning girls who have not begun to menstruate. (In our opinion, this would have been a great time for Allah to have said something else instead like, "a real man is one who marries an actual, grown woman"... but that's just us).

rotherham-grooming.jpgFive of the main culprits in the Rotherham abuse scandal: Mohsin Khan, 21, Razwan Razaq, 30, Adil Hussain, 20, Zafran Ramzan, 21, Umar Razaq, 24

Rotherham, 1400 and more cases of abuse documented over a period of 16 years.

The victims were children, mostly in care, mostly white.

The perpetrators were all of Pakistani Muslim heritage.

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http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/local-news/tory-councillors-outrageous-southall-slur-5978511

Sikhs are the second most segregated religious community, after Jews.

http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialibrary/briefingsupdated/more-segregation-or-more-mixing.pdf

Also, lol @ thinking Pakistani and Romanian immigrants "account for a disproportionately shocking amount of crime"..not compared to other immigrants

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2867783/12-000-Size-army-foreign-criminals-living-Britain-today-including-700-murderers-500-rapists.html

That table of yours only accounts for foreign citizens. It barely accounts for 1/6 of the 1.2 million strong Pakistani community in the UK, most of whom it seems have acquired citizenship. There simply aren't 424 Pakistani criminals in the whole of UK, there are almost that many people involved in the Pakistani paedophile rings alone (whom we have caught, to say nothing of the hundreds still at large). Pakistani youths, most of whom were born here, do account for a very high level of crime.

Romanians and the Romany gypsies are not the same thing. The Romanians, typical of Eastern Europeans, despise the gypsies who are overwhelmingly involved in criminal pursuits. Disproportionate does not equal scale - for such a small community, the level of crime perpetrated by the gypsies is something to behold.

Segregation isn't the same as integration. More Sikhs may live within largely Sikh areas, but we conform to the wider British culture far better than the Muslims, who insist on concessions and changes to the areas in which they live. There are many more Muslims than there are Sikhs, and they have spread themselves much further around as a consequence.

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A one policy party? One really ought to do their research before propounding the tired cliches peddled by the PC media. http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people

Why abstain from voting when you quite clearly believe the conservatives have done the country a lot of good? Other than voting for that party of warmongers themselves there is no better way to ensure that Labour, whom you believe offers nothing, finds its way back into power.

I've actually questioned our local UKIP candidate on what their policies are, i was stood their with a tablet with their website loaded waiting for the guy to run through them with me and let me have a little q and a time, the guy didn't have a clue, all he harped on about was immigration, when i asked him why they felt it was necessary to leave the EU, again, just immigration, the fact that we will loose a lot more than we could ever gain by leaving the EU, no answer.

Whoever your going to vote for, for the love of god, don't go by the stuff written on their websites or on leaflets, go up to the candidates and grill them about their policies.

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- Labour allowed the Rotherham grooming epidemic to take place under their watch.

- Tories have a history of Sikh betrayals and cover up's. Dating back to empire times and Thatcher/Gandhi leading upto and following 1984, continued by Cameron and his whitewashed enquiry into leaked documents and refusal to sanction a open public enquiry. Not to mention his refusal to support efforts for Sikhs to be recognised as a distinct separate ethnic group as per the uk census.

- lib dems are finished, not worth voting for.

- UKIP ?

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- Labour allowed the Rotherham grooming epidemic to take place under their watch.

- Tories have a history of Sikh betrayals and cover up's. Dating back to empire times and Thatcher/Gandhi leading upto and following 1984, continued by Cameron and his whitewashed enquiry into leaked documents and refusal to sanction a open public enquiry. Not to mention his refusal to support efforts for Sikhs to be recognised as a distinct separate ethnic group as per the uk census.

- lib dems are finished, not worth voting for.

- UKIP ?

yes everyone is feeling ukip. However I know people are angry with torys over 84 but it's was the pm and small number of cabinet involved there dead or retired. Yes agree labour not hide grooming in Rotherham but Oldham and Blackburn and birmingham

I'm ukip or tory more tory to stop labour coming in.

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I'll be honest, to me they are all as bad as each other but i'll never vote UKIP purely out of the principle that they have a bunch of idiots for candidates and a buffoon as a leader and yes, i know we have a dungar for a PM but still, as much as i hate Tory boy Cameron, i'd have him as PM any day over Farage.

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Na villain, david cameron did NOT apologise for jallianwala bagh massacre, he simply said "we regret". Regretting is NOT the same as saying sorry. Incidently i was at harmandar sahib/jallianwala bagh, the same day cameron was there, feb 2013.

The guy is a snake.

Never vote for labour, they r a muslims wet dream as a party. That party is so pc, and were responsible for the scrounging 10ppl in 1 house benefit claiming families to continue sucking tax payers money. Also went thru with 2 illegal wars, and allowed an open door to eu ppl to come in n overcrowd the place. I dont mind polish ppl, but the sheer number of polish that have come in is way too much for this island to handle. From 2004 the target was to have 30k polish ppl into the country......by the time it was 2007, it had gone 400k! Roma gypsies aswel......my god wat a waste of skin/bones they are.

Probably what the whites said/say about us "pakis". Ignorance at its best.

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