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Being an MD just gives prefix of Dr. not Prof. MD is a professional designation. The designation of Professor is not awarded anywhere in the world, it is a post/position which one holds when teaching in an post secondary academic institute.

The meaning of the word wouldn't change even 1000 years down to road. The root meaning stays no matter how much the wording is distorted. Please refer to some linguistic Ted-talk to learn more about linguism.

If you teach in some academic institute you may use the prefix. It is not a professional designation like CFA, Dr., Er., CMA, etc. but a common word in the 'world of academia'. Is every corner of London an academic institute? I haven't been there so not sure. If it is a case then they may call themselves. Linguism allows them.

We are speaking about Sikhi here. Not about some worldly knowledge and titles. Show me where the Guru used professor to desribe anyone? I showed you where Guru Sahib used Sant for a individual. I expect the same proof.

Agreed. I am not defending anybody here. But these sants etc. have done more damage and hijacked sikhi more. They have money power and money rules in today's world (a realistic expression). I am not sure about Ghagga, but Dhunda is only so hated because of his approach against babas and taksalis.

His view on Dasam Granth is other matter. As far as Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj is concerned he has done a commendable job in explaining people what guru sahb is saying. Different matter some people can't digest the simplicity of gurbani.

Dhunda has no knowledge on Gurbani. He has not even scratched the surface. What is wrong with symbolism. Nothing wrong with having a jyot. If jyot is wrong than so is Chaur Sahib. Again i will be ready to provide Gurbani on Chaur sahib if you are up to finding the truth.

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Bhagat Prahlaad is called Sant Prahlaad in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. Therefore the word Sant has been used for an individual who has reached the state of being a Sant.

I am surprised at the lengths and breadths some people go to associate "Sant" word with mortals Veerji. I bow down in front of these souls who would do anything to prove their point right even it involves using gurbani's arth in a distorted fashion. Ank 1133 is where the shabad is, which you are talking about. Before making this claim, you should have atleast given a moment to read over its meaning in "Guru Granth Darpan". Sant has NOT been used directly for Prahalaad. Read over shabad carefully veerji.

A terrible theory with so many holes in it.

Don't throw free volleys. First read the book, do some homework and hardwork on it. Then talk with some hard fact as to what "hole" you see Veerji.

Gurbani gave the title of sant to a individual named Prahlaad. Let me know if you will lose the ability of knowing how to use a search engine now.

Follow these steps:

1. Read my point above.

2. Read the shabad again and its arth from Guru Granth Darpan. Think for a second, are you sure what you are saying can be possible? Guru Sahb would make an expection for Prahlad?

3. Finding the book (which you felt had some "holes and didn't make sense"- metaphorically), requires some advanced search techniques like boolean symbols and search operators (https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en). Its a rare book. I would surely ask for your help if I am unable to search anything. :-)

Which is all of the Gurus Bani including Dasam Bani. If you have trouble swallowing this truth. I can surely present Gurbani which shows all Sikhs the truth of what is Guru ki Bani.

Again repeating thing I said earlier. Is it a crime to say my guru is Guru Granth Sahb Ji Maharaj? I never mentioned Dasam Bani in any of my posts. Have some people on this forum sworn that they have to force someone to say something about Dasam Bani? Such a dictatorship. I feel majority of panth has adopted the behaviour of pre-copernicus era Christianity.

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We are speaking about Sikhi here. Not about some worldly knowledge and titles. Show me where the Guru used professor to desribe anyone? I showed you where Guru Sahib used Sant for a individual. I expect the same proof.

Yes all way for Sikhi. I brought that up because an august member questioned "titles". So had to give some explanation.

Guru Sahb has not used any title for anyone. Titles don't work in Sikhi. Respect is given by Bhai/Baba. Revisit the shabad again. Its on Ank 1133. Prahalaad is never mentioned as Sant by Guru Sahb.

Dhunda has no knowledge on Gurbani. He has not even scratched the surface.

Veerji please enlighten me who has knowledge of Gurbani. I would start listening to their katha. But please don't mention name of anyone who makes Sikhi look like a fairy land. That parcharak should be talking practicality and rationally. Sikhi deeply involves sociological principles (Asa Di Vaar), so that parcharak should be talking socially not out-of-world. That person should be talking within the realms of laws of gravity, laws of motion and basic laws of universe which can't be broken by anyone, no tree-climbing-fishes please. If there is someone like that, please let us know. We are here to learn on this forum.

What is wrong with symbolism. Nothing wrong with having a jyot. If jyot is wrong than so is Chaur Sahib. Again i will be ready to provide Gurbani on Chaur sahib if you are up to finding the truth,

Veerji it would be disrespecting Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj by saying nothing is wrong with jyot. Please read the arth of Aarti sometime.. May Guru Sahb give the panth guidance and show us the right path.

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Veerji, Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj's bani is very clear on the word Sant. A sikh who has properly understood Guru Ji would not listen to even the biggest of the biggest scholars of Sikhi when Gurbani is itself very straightforward of the matter- who can be called sant. Guru Sahb is perfect, guru sahb is complete.

It seems like some section of panth is adamant about using Sant word with mortals. Jadon kise ne nishchay hi kar leya hai na sunan da, behas da ki fayda.

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So you automatically understood the meanings of bani??


You say guru granth sahib ji is clear, yet you provide guru granth darpan teeka. So if we use your logic then we should not be listen to Bhai sahib Singh Because he was a scholar.


Yet you don't want to listen to any others scholar or teeka.
Once again please read bhai Randhir Singhs book .


Or listen to sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale katha.

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ijnw swis igrwis n ivsrY hir nwmW min mMqu ] (319-18)
jinaa saas giraas na visrai har naamaaN man mant.
Those who do not forget the Lord, with each breath and morsel of food, whose minds are filled with the Mantra of the Lord's Name

DMnu is syeI nwnkw pUrnu soeI sMqu ]1] (319-18)
Dhan se say-ee naankaa pooran so-ee sant. ||1||
- they alone are blessed; O Nanak, they are the perfect Saints. ||1||


http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audios/Katha/01_Puratan_Katha/Sant_Gurbachan_Singh_%28Bhindran_wale%29/Guru_Granth_Sahib_Larivaar_Katha/Volume_04_Ang_0250-0346/60-Sant.Gurbachan.Singh--Raag.Gourhi--Ang.319.%28Waar-2%29.mp3

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Veerji, you are very well aware of the things which make Sikhi so unique and beautiful. Guru Sahb used vernacular (mother tongue of majority) instead of some language which needs to be specially learnt. Provided one knows the vyakaran (I learnt it from the very famous book on subject "Gurbani Veyakaran"), gurbani arth can be easily done by anyone. That is what makes Sikhi awesome, so simple yet so meaningful.

As for your question, yes I do arth of Gurbani myself. When I encounter some difficult word I refer to some dictionary. Punjabi is my mother tongue, I have been reading,speaking, listening it for all these years. You can also do so easily, its not at all hard. Just understand the rules of gurbani grammer (veyakaran) once, its smooth ride ahead as guru sahb has made it that way :-) Note: I am no scholar. Anybody can do arth themselves, provided veyakaran is followed correctly and pauses are used at right places.

I mention the teeka because not everyone is approaching Sikhi this way. Some like to read teeka first and then appreciate gurbani. Personal choice.

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Veerji, you are very well aware of the things which make Sikhi so unique and beautiful. Guru Sahb used vernacular (mother tongue of majority) instead of some language which needs to be specially learnt. Provided one knows the vyakaran (I learnt it from the very famous book on subject "Gurbani Veyakaran"), gurbani arth can be easily done by anyone. That is what makes Sikhi awesome, so simple yet so meaningful.

As for your question, yes I do arth of Gurbani myself. When I encounter some difficult word I refer to some dictionary. Punjabi is my mother tongue, I have been reading,speaking, listening it for all these years. You can also do so easily, its not at all hard. Just understand the rules of gurbani grammer (vyakaran) once, its smooth ride ahead as guru sahb has made it that way :-) Note: I am no scholar. Anybody can do arth themselves, provided veyakaran is followed correctly and pauses are used at right places.

I mention the teeka because not everyone is approaching Sikhi this way. Some like to read teeka first and then appreciate gurbani. Personal choice.

Ok Veerji.

So Basically what you are saying is you believe "Sant" only refers to Guru Granth Sahib Ji!! According to your own Arths and Professor Sahib Singh's Teeka....

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Here is more Gurbani:

ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕੀ ਪੈਜ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਰਿਓ ॥੩॥ ang 856

So the one source the poster Sikhiinspire wanted to post as the only true interpretation of Gurbani (Guru Granth Darpan) says a human can become a Sant. And now the above Gurbani is calling Prahlaad as a Sant.

Are you satisfied? Let me know because I really want to move forward and discuss how Chaur Sahib and jyot are the same.

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Sikhinspire jee, According to Viakaran, the term Sant is applied to Vaheguru, Guru Jee and Sikhs depending on the context it is used in the verse. Prof Sahib Singh Jee has also done translation in such a way which translates Sant for Sikhs/Saints depending on the context. So it is not always used for Vaheguru and Guru Jee alone as you have claimed. Besides Prof Sahib Singh Jee, other prominent Gursikhs have also translated Gurbani according to Viakaran such as Giani Harbans Singh Jee, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee, Joginder Singh Talwara Jee. In fact each of these Gusikhs has even written a book on Gurbani Viakaran. So far the best and most comprehensive one is the one written by Talwara Jee in two volumes.

One must take note that Sant when applied to Sikhs is for those Sikhs who are highly advanced in spirituality Gurmat mysticism. According to Gurbani verse that hsingh8963 jee has shown, one who remembers Vaheguru with every breath is a Sant. Of course we know most of today's so called Sants are not of that level of avastha and therefore should not be called Sants. Now just because we have fake Sants does not mean there are no real Sants in the Panth. Similarly just because we have metric passed fake (missionary) professors does not mean we don't have real Sikh professors out there lol

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Here is more Gurbani:

ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕੀ ਪੈਜ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਰਿਓ ॥੩॥ ang 856

So the one source the poster Sikhiinspire wanted to post as the only true interpretation of Gurbani (Guru Granth Darpan) says a human can become a Sant. And now the above Gurbani is calling Prahlaad as a Sant.

Are you satisfied? Let me know because I really want to move forward and discuss how Chaur Sahib and jyot are the same.

excellent Gurbani tukh Akali Fauj Jee. If Gurbani is calling Prahladh Jee as Sant then who are we to argue on this matter. I would suggest to brother Sikhi inspire Jee to please read Gurbani instead of listening to kathas by fake uneducated professors who are only misguiding the Sikhs because they know that most Sikhs have not read Gurbani and as a result are largely unaware of the truths revealed in the word of the God. These Ghughus and Dhundus are proven liars and frauds. Don''t listen to them.

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ਜਹ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਤਨ ਹੋਵਹਿ ਇਕਤ੍ਰ ॥ ਤਹ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਨਾਦ ਕਵਿਤ ॥ ਸਾਧ ਸਭਾ ਮਹਿ ਅਨਦ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮ ॥ ਉਨ ਸੰਗੁ ਸੋ ਪਾਏ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਕਰਾਮ ॥੩॥

ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਸਾਧ ਸੰਤ ਜਿੱਥੇ (ਭੀ) ਇਕੱਠੇ ਹੁੰਦੇ ਹਨ ਉਥੇ ਉਹ ਸਾਜ ਵਰਤ ਕੇ ਬਾਣੀ ਪੜ੍ਹ ਕੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਗੀਤ (ਹੀ) ਗਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ। ਹੇ ਭਾਈ! ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠਿਆਂ ਆਤਮਕ ਆਨੰਦ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ ਸ਼ਾਂਤੀ ਹਾਸਲ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ। ਪਰ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੀ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਉਹੀ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਮੱਥੇ ਉੱਤੇ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ਸ਼ (ਦਾ ਲੇਖ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਵੇ)੩।

This is from today's hukamnama at Sri Darbar Sahib which mentions one of the traits of Gursikh Sants. Where Gursikh Sants gather(ikatr), they do kirtan of Gurbani(kavit). Sitting in the sangat of Sants one gets spiritual joy.

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After Gurbani is presented to bring the truth to the front. Both of them do not even acknowledge what has been presented. We are all here to learn. We cannot learn if we refuse to explore the truth.

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