Who Is Guru Ram Rai Ji

[shaaharjunsingh]

Who is guru ram rai ji. Mostly many people dont know about them.so here I am to start a discussion. Whats the faith of jhanda sahib . Whats the scene about him in history of Dehradoon india

[AjrawatSingh]

Ram Rai was eldest son of Patshahi 7 (Guru Har Rai).

He was excommunicated from Sikhi by Patshahi 7(Guru Har Rai) because he distorted Gurbani.

His followers are called Ram Raiye, who call him "Guru Ram Rai"; and their headquarter is at Dehradoon.

Khalsa is directed not to associate with Ram Raiyas along with Dhir Maliyas, Meenas, Masands.

[JSINGHANANDPUR]

Ram Rai is elder brother of 8th Guru & eldest Son of 7 th guru , he was sent to Aurangzeb , on recieving call from delhi ( upon ascention on throne by Aurangzeb) to logically satisfy the Rulers about the Sikhi , its philosophy and the contribution to the society .But Ramrai in his tryst to appease the Political class started giving distorted interpretation of Gurbani and was excommunicated by the &th Guru .He recieved a Jagir from Delhi darbaar ( some villages in Doon valley & about 85 villages in Today's Phagwara Tesil in Punjab . Later on he started his own kind of sectarian teachings and had big following ( also having masands like in Sikh Sangat of the Time ) . In times of 10 th Guru Sahib his masands were so powerful that he was afraid of them and called upon Guru Sahib for help ( during Paonta sahib stay of the Guru Sahib). He was accepted in Sikhi mainstream by Guru Sahib on offering pennance but his followers werenot ( As guru ji Said Ramrai Guru ka , iski sangat bhootni) > After his death and cremation under mysterious circumstances by the main followers , Guru Sahib was called for help by his wife (Punjab Kaur ) and Guru Sahib went to offer condolences & help ( though Ramrai was older in age to 10th Guru Sahib but as per family lineage he was nephew of guru Sahib ) .His followers still gather to celebrate many festivals at Dehradoon , his Dehra is situated at Khurbada Mohalla in the city

It is very sad that our Religious leadership has done little to bring them & many others similar sects back into sikhi mainfold ( who indirectly avow thier allegiance with Gurbani 7 Sri Guru Granth Sahib). There are many groups like Vanjaris , Banjaras , Sikligars , peoples aligning with Udasins ( worshipping Sri Chand ji Son of Guru Nanak Dev ji )and many others I have met during touring many parts of central India, Gujrat & Maharashtra while performing my official Job .Even census of such people (or the mainstream Sikhi) is never conducted or tried by SGPC .During National census there guys unknowing state their religion as Hindu ( or the census guys just ask whether one is Christialn or muslim , if answer is no , he on his own writes it as Hindu ) If proper care is taken on this count , Population of Sikhs is not less than 20 % in India so I believe

[MisterrSingh]

"Guru" Ram Rai? Lol, they're having a laugh.