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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

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with a heavy heart I have to tell you I am livid at SGPC new kartoot they are asking MOdi for money to subsidise langar at Harmandir Sahib ....by what right have they got to break with traditions from Guru Nanak Dev ji's time to do such a vile thing. Langar is meant to be made with kirat di kamai and given because of love not contract or political machinations . These frauds need to be all kicked out RIGHT NOW they do not speak for me or any of the 25 million sikhs around the planet. Jis da Guru Akal Purakh Hove hor kise de moora hath phalaoga ? fitt jaune ehije bande di ....

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Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh

dear Brothers and sisters

with a heavy heart I have to tell you I am livid at SGPC new kartoot they are asking MOdi for money to subsidise langar at Harmandir Sahib ....by what right have they got to break with traditions from Guru Nanak Dev ji's time to do such a vile thing. Langar is meant to be made with kirat di kamai and given because of love not contract or political machinations . These frauds need to be all kicked out RIGHT NOW they do not speak for me or any of the 25 million sikhs around the planet. Jis da Guru Akal Purakh Hove hor kise de moora hath phalaoga ? fitt jaune ehije bande di ....

Satnam Singh Khalsa di FB page ton khabar mile aj

M,y sources say this is incorrect .I am no big fan og The present SGPC management , but the fact is that the talk was about subsidy on cooking gas ( which is given on domestic consumption and was available to gurudwara langars till 2years back , when the then Congress Govt discouninued and considered Langars as commercial eateries and all Guru Ghars are now forced to buy commercial rate cooking gas cylinders - Subsidy on domestic consumption is app 45% of the cost ) and since it was withdrawn the SGPC management is trying to impress the regimes for supplying the cooking gas under domestic rates . Now please apply your mind and decide what is wrong in this ?

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what is the commercial rate please and are we not consuming at the rate of a business ? is it right to expect subsidy then ? we should pay correctly I don't need favours from people who would have us regulated to the pages of history

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what is the commercial rate please and are we not consuming at the rate of a business ? is it right to expect subsidy then ? we should pay correctly I don't need favours from people who would have us regulated to the pages of history

Haha! Your comment is ludicrous, just admit when your point of view is wrong.

I doubt there is a single kitchen on planet earth which consumes on the scale of Guru Ka Langar. My 5 year old knows the definition of a commercial business..... Never ever will Guru Ji's langar be a commercial enterprise...

Can't win with some, if you actually understood the context, I bet you would be amongst the first to object. As it would be wasting sangat's chravah, if unnecessarily paying tax on something that they do not need to. In fact Guru Ka Langar, all taxable items should be tax free...

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Haha! Your comment is ludicrous, just admit when your point of view is wrong.

I doubt there is a single kitchen on planet earth which consumes on the scale of Guru Ka Langar. My 5 year old knows the definition of a commercial business..... Never ever will Guru Ji's langar be a commercial enterprise...

Can't win with some, if you actually understood the context, I bet you would be amongst the first to object. As it would be wasting sangat's chravah, if unnecessarily paying tax on something that they do not need to. In fact Guru Ka Langar, all taxable items should be tax free...

point was to clarify was it tax was it price of gas what is it ? Am I wrong or were we told to follow the law of the land if just ...if mandirs churchs etc get tax-free status then OK I understand that request to have same status ... but the way it was presented was just requesting a subsidy ...and that would be definitely objectionable i want our gurudwarey free of external influence , besides chardavah is in the lakh crodhes do we need to do this ? when SGPC can easily steal 30 crodh from Guru ji by selling lands and no noise is made why this?? it shows us a kaum as incompetent, and beggars

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point was to clarify was it tax was it price of gas what is it ? Am I wrong or were we told to follow the law of the land if just ...if mandirs churchs etc get tax-free status then OK I understand that request to have same status ... but the way it was presented was just requesting a subsidy ...and that would be definitely objectionable i want our gurudwarey free of external influence , besides chardavah is in the lakh crodhes do we need to do this ? when SGPC can easily steal 30 crodh from Guru ji by selling lands and no noise is made why this?? it shows us a kaum as incompetent, and beggars

The price of gas would be effected by the tax?

Mandir, church etc. langar chalondeh? Let me break it down for you, the gas (which is not the only fuel used in cooking langar), used to be taxed at domestic rates, now the gas purchased is being taxed at a commercial rate. When you eat langar, is there a menu? Are u charged? Commercial = commerce I.e. You SELL A PRODUCT!!!!! How can that be? Are we selling langar at a profit?

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The price of gas would be effected by the tax?

Mandir, church etc. langar chalondeh? Let me break it down for you, the gas (which is not the only fuel used in cooking langar), used to be taxed at domestic rates, now the gas purchased is being taxed at a commercial rate. When you eat langar, is there a menu? Are u charged? Commercial = commerce I.e. You SELL A PRODUCT!!!!! How can that be? Are we selling langar at a profit?

In Uk Gas is piped and sold by the Unit if consumption is above a certain threshold it is considered non-domestic whether a business or place of worship , but I am pretty sure if the Gurdwara has Charity status then pricing is altered to be tax-free (by claiming back taxation). In India the situation may be different is there a midway option where you can get priced differently if a large institution which has charitable status there or is it purely domestic or profit-making organisation categories?

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SGPC is evil empire that needs heavy deep clean. They need to find alternate energy source to make langar.

Cut TV telecast of darbar sahib, keep our sikh religious place strictly "Spiritual" but not some tourist hub.

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SGPC is evil empire that needs heavy deep clean. They need to find alternate energy source to make langar.

Cut TV telecast of darbar sahib, keep our sikh religious place strictly "Spiritual" but not some tourist hub.

What is cutting TV telecast of Darbar Sahib going to achieve?

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New Kitchen, Hall to Cater to Devotees at Golden Temple

By Harpreet Bajwa Published: 22nd March 2015 06:00 AM Last Updated: 22nd March 2015 03:01 AM

CHANDIGARH: To cope with the huge rush of devotees in the world’s largest community kitchen at the Golden Temple in Amritsar, a new langar hall and kitchen have come up to cater to 5,000 devotees, which is twice as large as the earlier facility.

Sources said that another multi-storey building adjacent to the existing langar facility is being constructed at the Golden Temple complex. The four-storey building with three lifts will be the first fully air-conditioned building in the complex. Its basement will be utilised to store rations.

The building will have a hot and cold water tank and dishes will be cleared on the ground floor. The first floor will be connected to the first floor of the existing langar hall building to accommodate more pilgrims. The second floor will be used for washing the vegetables and cutting them. Piped gas and solar panels will replace the numerous LPG cylinders and wood used for cooking.

To combat air pollution, the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbhandak Committee (SGPC) plans to install non-polluting chimneys in the kitchen. The steam in these chimneys will flow through water, reducing air pollution. “We have reduced our energy consumption and have come to minimal usage as far as energy is concerned,” said a SGPC official.

Boilers will be installed for cooking rice and daal. An automatic roti maker will make two lakh rotis each day, up from the present one lakh.

Source - http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/New-Kitchen-Hall-to-Cater-to-Devotees-at-Golden-Temple/2015/03/22/article2724677.ece

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Non subsidized domestic cylinder costs in india around 615Ruppe , subsidized one is for Rupee 425\426 ( gas 14.2 Kg ) Conmmercial Cylinder is sold for 1250 to 1350 depending on place of consumption (19 Kg) Thus gas for commercial costs not less than 65 a kg , while domestic non subsidy is around 43 per kg & domestic subsidized is about Rs 30 a kg ( one connection holder - the household gets 12 cylinders a year under subsidised rated & there after at non subsidised rates ) , While all eateries , restaurants etc have to buy gas at commercial rates . As langars are not run for profits , logically they should get gas at lesser prices than commercial establishments (* cost of gas to oil Co s is around Rs 584 per cylinder of 14.2 kg - according to price buildup documents available at websites of all gas ditributing Cos ) ie Rs 41.12 per Kg and the gurdwaras have to pay 65 per Kg for thier langar consumption , which includes hefty profit of more than 50 % ( 100(65-42)/42 )for govt. as all gas ditribution is through govt owned co's. and they forget that only gorrdwara langars supply food to ppl hit by natural calamities whenever needed , withut being asked

As the other institutions like church , Masjid & mandirs do not run langars usually ( I have seen some Temples have kitchens associated with them , but certain payments have to be made for utilising the service - not like fre as in Langars at Guru Ghars ) these communities have no big issue in the context , and hence only Gurudwaras & thier Managements are time and again approaching Govt for charging fair price on gas supplied to Gurdwaras

The rates given above can be verified from respective sites ( indane.co.in , ebharatgas.co.in , hindustanpertroleum.com )

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Non subsidized domestic cylinder costs in india around 615Ruppe , subsidized one is for Rupee 425\426 ( gas 14.2 Kg ) Conmmercial Cylinder is sold for 1250 to 1350 depending on place of consumption (19 Kg) Thus gas for commercial costs not less than 65 a kg , while domestic non subsidy is around 43 per kg & domestic subsidized is about Rs 30 a kg ( one connection holder - the household gets 12 cylinders a year under subsidised rated & there after at non subsidised rates ) , While all eateries , restaurants etc have to buy gas at commercial rates . As langars are not run for profits , logically they should get gas at lesser prices than commercial establishments (* cost of gas to oil Co s is around Rs 584 per cylinder of 14.2 kg - according to price buildup documents available at websites of all gas ditributing Cos ) ie Rs 41.12 per Kg and the gurdwaras have to pay 65 per Kg for thier langar consumption , which includes hefty profit of more than 50 % ( 100(65-42)/42 )for govt. as all gas ditribution is through govt owned co's. and they forget that only gorrdwara langars supply food to ppl hit by natural calamities whenever needed , withut being asked

As the other institutions like church , Masjid & mandirs do not run langars usually ( I have seen some Temples have kitchens associated with them , but certain payments have to be made for utilising the service - not like fre as in Langars at Guru Ghars ) these communities have no big issue in the context , and hence only Gurudwaras & thier Managements are time and again approaching Govt for charging fair price on gas supplied to Gurdwaras

The rates given above can be verified from respective sites ( indane.co.in , ebharatgas.co.in , hindustanpertroleum.com )

is this not a local state government issue and if so what can Badal's lot do....are there any plans to built potable water storage , just in situations of drought or Waheguru na kare siege? future forecasts indicate less rainfall for Punjab year on year.

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What is cutting TV telecast of Darbar Sahib going to achieve?

I would enhance telecast providing red button screen content which would have live translations of gurbani shabads , maybe also providing feeds from all the smaller akhand paats going on similtaneously so people can get laha of listening and the granthis have to speak loud always since its day and night transmission. Tourism should be seen as a positive to push for international heritage status also a way to do parchaar in multitude of languages , but it is only going to happen if SGPC is cleared of crooks and Monies directed towards this from golak.

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is this not a local state government issue and if so what can Badal's lot do....are there any plans to built potable water storage , just in situations of drought or Waheguru na kare siege? future forecasts indicate less rainfall for Punjab year on year.

it is not state subject , energy & petro are central Govt jurisdictions - so for these matters Centre has to be approached .Right now the topic is Gas Subsidy , why drag water in it , anyway the water flows into Main Sarowar through Santokhsar ( which has been conceptualised to act as stabilisation unit so the main sarowar gets lesser silt alongwith fresh water , but now modern desilting plant is also installed ) via small underground canal called hansali and flows out through Kaulsar & two small sarovars near the complex called Gurdwara Baba deep Singh ji , back throu an unserground channel into river Beas .So emergency can be taken care of and will not be problem

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